"RobDar" > wrote in message
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>A few sites??? LOL!

Well, after checking the validity of the links, there are a 'few'
less.


> "rick" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
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>> "RobDar" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>a very interesting stance...I cannot say that I am well enough
>>>educated on the topic to comment intelligently...but believe
>>>me, I am going to look into this!
>>
>>
>> Here's a few sites to start your research..
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>> http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
>> http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
>> http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
>> http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
>> http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
>> http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm
>> http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm
>> http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html
>> http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
>> http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf
>> http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm
>> http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
>> http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm
>> http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
>> http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
>> http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html
>> http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm
>> http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm
>> http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html
>> http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
>> http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
>> http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html
>> http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html
>> http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm
>> http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html
>> http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html
>> http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135
>> http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
>> http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf
>> http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf
>> http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
>> http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm
>> http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm
>> http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml
>> http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html
>> http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c
>> http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html
>> http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm
>> http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm
>> http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml
>> http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5
>> http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html
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>> http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf
>> http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm
>> http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm
>> http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html
>> http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm
>> http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf
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>>
>> problems with cotton.
>> http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
>> http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
>> http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm
>>
>> To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
>> here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that
>> there
>> can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
>> http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
>> /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
>> http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
>> http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
>> http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
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>>
>> here's are a couple
>> dealing with power and communications.
>> http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
>> http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
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>>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
>>> news:g7Mef.520964$tl2.159457@pd7tw3no...
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>>>> "RobDar" > wrote
>>>>> issue of cd's? not sure I am following....
>>>>
>>>> cds = The collateral death and suffering caused to animals
>>>> by various processes, in the case of commercial agriculture,
>>>> the use of machines for ploughing, seeding, spraying and
>>>> harvesting of crops, and the use of organic and inorganic
>>>> chemicals for the elimination of pests and weeds. The
>>>> animals harmed can be larger mammals like deer, gophers, and
>>>> rabbits, also smaller mammals such as mice and other rodents
>>>> such as shrews, moles and voles. Then there are ground
>>>> birds, lizards, frogs, and in the case of poisoning, any
>>>> animal that predates on them. We may even consider bees,
>>>> ants, spiders, grasshoppers, worms, and other animals of
>>>> that genre, vegans certainly consider them in their frequent
>>>> semi-conscious moral calculations. The collateral death toll
>>>> to animals in food production arguably dwarfs the number of
>>>> direct deaths of livestock in food production. This all
>>>> means that the diet of the typical (sub)urban vegan or
>>>> vegetarian who shops in supermarkets could easily be related
>>>> to more animal death and suffering than a family who
>>>> subsists largely on hunting. These often ignored facts cast
>>>> doubt on the vegan thought process which concludes that
>>>> consuming even a small amount of animal "product" is a moral
>>>> stain on one's character.
>>>>
>>>> The vegan moral calculation is embodied in the following
>>>> fallacy, called "Denying the Antecedent":
>>>> 1) Animal products cause animal suffering
>>>> 2) I abstain from animal products, therefore
>>>> 3) I don't cause animal suffering
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
>>>>> news:fjgef.509881$tl2.224390@pd7tw3no...
>>>>>> "Beach Runner" > wrote
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>>>>>>> A typical US post, taking one example and making every
>>>>>>> VEG*N one behavior. How prejudicial and bigoted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The family had to be typical of raw-food vegan/ ARAs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously the producers sought extremists to make the
>>>>>>> sure more interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other family were extreme also, hunting every day and
>>>>>> eating mostly meat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The vegan family shopped at a local market, imported nuts,
>>>>>> fruit, vegetables, seeds, etc.. while the hunters got most
>>>>>> of their food from the local woods. The issue of cds never
>>>>>> came up, but I am quite sure that once the hidden
>>>>>> collateral cost in animal death and suffering was tallied
>>>>>> up, the hunter family would fare quite well by comparison.
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