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wife swap vegan episode
A few sites??? LOL!
"rick" > wrote in message
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> "RobDar" > wrote in message
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>>a very interesting stance...I cannot say that I am well enough educated on
>>the topic to comment intelligently...but believe me, I am going to look
>>into this!
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> Here's a few sites to start your research..
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> http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
> http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
> http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
> http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
> http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
> http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm
> http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm
> http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html
> http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
> http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf
> http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm
> http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
> http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm
> http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
> http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
> http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html
> http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm
> http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm
> http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html
> http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
> http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
> http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html
> http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html
> http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm
> http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html
> http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html
> http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135
> http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
> http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf
> http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf
> http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
> http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm
> http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm
> http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml
> http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html
> http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c
> http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html
> http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm
> http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm
> http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml
> http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5
> http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html
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> http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf
> http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm
> http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm
> http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html
> http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm
> http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf
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> problems with cotton.
> http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
> http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
> http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm
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> To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
> here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there
> can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
> http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
> /natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
> http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
> http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
> http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
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> here's are a couple
> dealing with power and communications.
> http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
> http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
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>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
>> news:g7Mef.520964$tl2.159457@pd7tw3no...
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>>> "RobDar" > wrote
>>>> issue of cd's? not sure I am following....
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>>> cds = The collateral death and suffering caused to animals by various
>>> processes, in the case of commercial agriculture, the use of machines
>>> for ploughing, seeding, spraying and harvesting of crops, and the use of
>>> organic and inorganic chemicals for the elimination of pests and weeds.
>>> The animals harmed can be larger mammals like deer, gophers, and
>>> rabbits, also smaller mammals such as mice and other rodents such as
>>> shrews, moles and voles. Then there are ground birds, lizards, frogs,
>>> and in the case of poisoning, any animal that predates on them. We may
>>> even consider bees, ants, spiders, grasshoppers, worms, and other
>>> animals of that genre, vegans certainly consider them in their frequent
>>> semi-conscious moral calculations. The collateral death toll to animals
>>> in food production arguably dwarfs the number of direct deaths of
>>> livestock in food production. This all means that the diet of the
>>> typical (sub)urban vegan or vegetarian who shops in supermarkets could
>>> easily be related to more animal death and suffering than a family who
>>> subsists largely on hunting. These often ignored facts cast doubt on the
>>> vegan thought process which concludes that consuming even a small amount
>>> of animal "product" is a moral stain on one's character.
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>>> The vegan moral calculation is embodied in the following fallacy, called
>>> "Denying the Antecedent":
>>> 1) Animal products cause animal suffering
>>> 2) I abstain from animal products, therefore
>>> 3) I don't cause animal suffering
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>>>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
>>>> news:fjgef.509881$tl2.224390@pd7tw3no...
>>>>> "Beach Runner" > wrote
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>>>>>> A typical US post, taking one example and making every VEG*N one
>>>>>> behavior. How prejudicial and bigoted.
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>>>>> The family had to be typical of raw-food vegan/ ARAs.
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>>>>>> Obviously the producers sought extremists to make the sure more
>>>>>> interesting.
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>>>>> The other family were extreme also, hunting every day and eating
>>>>> mostly meat.
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>>>>> The vegan family shopped at a local market, imported nuts, fruit,
>>>>> vegetables, seeds, etc.. while the hunters got most of their food from
>>>>> the local woods. The issue of cds never came up, but I am quite sure
>>>>> that once the hidden collateral cost in animal death and suffering was
>>>>> tallied up, the hunter family would fare quite well by comparison.
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