"RobDar" > wrote
>a very interesting stance...I cannot say that I am well enough educated on
>the topic to comment intelligently

A very refreshing outlook, you obviously aren't a vegan.

....but believe me, I am going to look into
> this!

There is not much documentation on collateral deaths of animals. Up until
recently it seemed like an irrelevant statistic. Here is one web page that
discusses this issue
http://courses.ats.rochester.edu/nob...-LeastHarm.htm

> "Dutch" > wrote in message
> news:g7Mef.520964$tl2.159457@pd7tw3no...
>>
>> "RobDar" > wrote
>>> issue of cd's? not sure I am following....
>>
>> cds = The collateral death and suffering caused to animals by various
>> processes, in the case of commercial agriculture, the use of machines for
>> ploughing, seeding, spraying and harvesting of crops, and the use of
>> organic and inorganic chemicals for the elimination of pests and weeds.
>> The animals harmed can be larger mammals like deer, gophers, and rabbits,
>> also smaller mammals such as mice and other rodents such as shrews, moles
>> and voles. Then there are ground birds, lizards, frogs, and in the case
>> of poisoning, any animal that predates on them. We may even consider
>> bees, ants, spiders, grasshoppers, worms, and other animals of that
>> genre, vegans certainly consider them in their frequent semi-conscious
>> moral calculations. The collateral death toll to animals in food
>> production arguably dwarfs the number of direct deaths of livestock in
>> food production. This all means that the diet of the typical (sub)urban
>> vegan or vegetarian who shops in supermarkets could easily be related to
>> more animal death and suffering than a family who subsists largely on
>> hunting. These often ignored facts cast doubt on the vegan thought
>> process which concludes that consuming even a small amount of animal
>> "product" is a moral stain on one's character.
>>
>> The vegan moral calculation is embodied in the following fallacy, called
>> "Denying the Antecedent":
>> 1) Animal products cause animal suffering
>> 2) I abstain from animal products, therefore
>> 3) I don't cause animal suffering
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Dutch" > wrote in message
>>> news:fjgef.509881$tl2.224390@pd7tw3no...
>>>> "Beach Runner" > wrote
>>>>
>>>>> A typical US post, taking one example and making every VEG*N one
>>>>> behavior. How prejudicial and bigoted.
>>>>
>>>> The family had to be typical of raw-food vegan/ ARAs.
>>>>
>>>>> Obviously the producers sought extremists to make the sure more
>>>>> interesting.
>>>>
>>>> The other family were extreme also, hunting every day and eating mostly
>>>> meat.
>>>>
>>>> The vegan family shopped at a local market, imported nuts, fruit,
>>>> vegetables, seeds, etc.. while the hunters got most of their food from
>>>> the local woods. The issue of cds never came up, but I am quite sure
>>>> that once the hidden collateral cost in animal death and suffering was
>>>> tallied up, the hunter family would fare quite well by comparison.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>