Beach Runner wrote:
>>>> For benefit of those who missed this show (or who turned it off
>>>> early because she felt picked on again), here's a brief summary.
>>>> This show would benefit anyone who's never had the misfortune of
>>>> encountering a vegan. It showed what vegans are like, what they
>>>> think and believe, and how they interact with normal people.
>
> Many people consider these reality shows the mark of stupidity.

Your posts set a new watermark for stupidity. Congratulations.

>>>> The vegan wife, Jackie, forces her entire household (including the
>>>> cat) to consume a raw vegan diet. Her actions extend beyond herself
>>>> and her household: she protests meat and hands out leaflets to
>>>> strangers on the street in an attempt to get them to live according
>>>> to her peculiar "principles." Part of those principles at home
>>>> included getting rid of their stove and many of their possessions;
>>>> her home became increasingly spartan as she sank deeper into her
>>>> kooky vegan abyss.
>
> She's obviously obsessed

Veganism IS an obsession.

> and not typical.

Ipse dixit. Since veganism is an obsessive eating disorder, it's fair to
assume Jackie is representative of most (if not all) vegans. I noted
before that there may be differences of degree, but there's not much
deviation beyond the norm.

>>>> The best way to explain her average day is that she focuses on the
>>>> things most out of her control and avoids dealing with the things
>>>> most within her control. Her husband Harold WANTS to eat meat but
>>>> fears doing so for the consequences he'd face from Jackie (note: he
>>>> expressed no fear of consequences to his health from it). Harold
>>>> also overworks to avoid coming home because Jackie is too busy
>>>> navel-gazing, sun-gazing, bitching, domineering, and protesting to
>>>> clean house or do other mundane things; he's adopted the role of
>>>> housemaid by default. The whole family were kind of drifting apart
>>>> and becoming more dysfunctional, with Harold and the daughter afraid
>>>> to speak up about any of the changes (dietary, anti-"decorating,"
>>>> etc.).
>
> There are crazy vegans.

Veganism is either a mental disorder on its own or a symptom of
underlying mental issues. People who want to be vegan, including you and
Skanky, are mentally unwell.

>>>> Jackie ends up trading places with a wife from a family who hunt out
>>>> of necessity. With her vegan psyche already very weak and fragile,
>>>> Jackie assesses her new situation by going through the fridge
>>>> (filled with meat) and the home (filled with taxidermy). As most
>>>> vegans are, she's condescending in sizing up her new family. To her
>>>> credit, though, I didn't think she was nearly as condescending as
>>>> the vegan witch Barbara from Fox's _Trading Spouses_ last year.
>>>>
>>>> During one memorable segment, Jackie became emotional -- nearly
>>>> hysterical -- trying to explain how difficult it was for her to go
>>>> to an all raw diet. She offered some psychobabble comparing the
>>>> whole experience to alcoholism. To that bizarre melodrama, the other
>>>> husband (Ricky) apologized and said he didn't realize it would be so
>>>> traumatic for her.
>>>>
>>>> As in the _Trading Spouses_ episodes on Fox in this vein last year,
>>>> the vegan wife felt compelled to show her new family some videos
>>>> from animal rights groups even after preaching to them about
>>>> veganism for an entire week. Jackie became an emotional wreck while
>>>> watching them, even though she said she's seen them many times
>>>> before. Though the kids were briefly stunned by such portrayals of
>>>> farming (which are atypical), they didn't exactly embrace the idea
>>>> of eating nuts and fruits.
>>>>
>>>> Ultimately, her attempts to convert the family in Kentucky failed.
>>>> Since the swap, they've added more vegetables to their meals but
>>>> haven't given up hunting or eating meat. Meanwhile, Jackie's kept
>>>> the stove Bobbi (the normal wife who ended up having to deal with
>>>> milquetoast Harold) had brought in and has even resumed eating some
>>>> cooked foods. She admitted maybe she was taking things too far. I'm
>>>> sure her husband agrees she *had* taken things too far, even if he
>>>> lacks the courage to tell her how ****ed up he really thinks she is.
>>>>
>>>> The moral of the story is that vegans DO take things too far. They
>>>> try to proselytize others, and they're usually very emotional and
>>>> aggressive about it. They think they're doing something virtuous and
>>>> informative by telling others not to eat meat, but vegans always end
>>>> up coming across as emotive, uninformed jackasses.
>
> You take an extreme example and make it the rule.

Veganism IS an extreme. It is the rule.

>>>> I also think vegans should go on more shows like this. First, it's
>>>> very entertaining. Second, it's illuminating for the wider
>>>> population -- especially those in areas without or with very few
>>>> vegans. Finally, it's therapeutic in the sense that vegans on these
>>>> shows seem to benefit from interacting with *normal* people. For
>>>> example, Jackie is again eating cooked food. The vegan mother in the
>>>> Fox show (Barbara) even ate meat with the Cajun family.
>>>
>>> A typical US post, taking one example and making every VEG*N one
>>> behavior.
>>
>> The Koplin family from Arizona are much more typical of vegans,
>> especially raw faddists, than they're atypical.
>
> Hardly. I know many vegans. I can enjoy a wonderful meal with my
> father, who's still fishing and riding his bike close to 80s.

Your father isn't a vegan, dipshit. Vegans don't fish. Recreational
fishing is one of the targets of their irrational, misplaced, uninformed
anger.

> Exercise is the fountain of youth.

Exercise isn't the issue at hand, nor is it something about which we
disagree (for the most part).

> And your stuff about old geezer is absurd.

No, you're a doddering old coot. You can't keep straight your list of
"bullies" so you confuse the AMA for FDA, and then you continue your
bullshit by suggesting one or both is a "monopoly" even after being
given the definition of that word. Your posts ramble, they occasionally
are on topic, and too frequently they have NOTHING to do with the
subject. You ARE a geezer.

> My hair may be gray,

I don't give a shit if it's purple or green or if you have enough
piercings to set off a metal detector three miles away. I'm complaining
about your slovenly style of posting and your dissheveled use of the
English language, not about your damn hair or appearance.

> And I don't feel a need to go to a group of people and be the nastiest
> person I've run into.

Then don't. No one's asked you to do that.

>>> How prejudicial and bigoted.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vegans ARE prejudiced bigots.
>
> Some might be.

They all are. It's part of the mindset that drives someone to assume
moral superiority by what does or doesn't get chewed and swallowed.

>>> Obviously the producers sought extremists to make the sure more
>>> interesting.
>>
>> Irrelevant. I pointed out that the inclusion of nuts makes shows like
>> this more interesting (see my first point in the last paragraph, dumb
>> ass). Vegans are kooks. They're extremists. They don't mesh well with
>> normal people. That's why they tend to make shows like this
>> interesting and amusing.
>
> No, they took very extreme cases to raise their ratings.

That's why I suggested more shows with vegans, because veganism is an
extreme and its adherents are extremists.