"Phil Odox" > wrote in message
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> rick wrote:
>> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>rick wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Phil Odox" > wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>usual suspect wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Phil Odox wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've graciously accepted your claim that animals
>>>>>>>are occasionally killed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They're killed systematically.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, I don't believe that they are,
>>>>
>>>>=========================
>>>>Yes, they are. By the millions upon millions, killer.
>>>>
>>>
>>>No, I don't believe they're that prevalent. If they are, they
>>>needn't be.
>>>=======================
>>
>> Then you can't read afterall.
>
> Non sequitur.
>
>>
>>>> and even if they are they
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>don't *have* to be.
>>>>
>>>>===========================
>>>>Yes, they do
>>>
>>>No, they don't have to be. Ancient forests existed before
>>>we arrived killing animals and using pesticides, and many
>>>of these forests contain vegetarian foods, so to claim
>>>vegetable and fruits can't grow unless we kill animals and
>>>use pesticides in light of this forest example is a lie.
>>><cut>
>>>
> Glad you agree, but when are you going to change and stop
> lying to hide your shame, rick? That's the next question.
>
>>>>No animals *have* to die to produce fruit
>>>>>and vegetables, and that's what makes the vegetarian's
>>>>>choice
>>>>>a morally good one. Your diet on meat always entails the
>>>>>intentional killing of animals, whereas my diet on fruit and
>>>>>vegetables doesn't. Our intentions concerning our respective
>>>>>diets are poles apart, and you'll just have to live with
>>>>>your
>>>>>shame like every other meat eater has to.
>>>>
>>>>===========================
>>>>Lying hypocrites have no superiority, fool...
>>>
>>>That's you, Rick: a lying hypocrite. No animals *have* to
>>>die for vegetarians to eat, but your shame surrounding your
>>>diet on meat stops you from publicly admitting it, even when
>>>bearing the forest example in mind. Bringing yourself to admit
>>>that a vegetarian *can* eat without killing animals just kills
>>>you dead with anger and frustration, so you'll keep denying
>>>this
>>>simple fact until the proverbial cows come home, even if it
>>>means
>>>making yourself the village idiot. I've never seen such denial
>>>and blatant stupidity before now, and I've been around a bit,
>>>I
>>>can tell you that.
>>
>> ================================
>> Yes, it does
>
> Yes, what does? Did you think that writing something so vague
> in
> response to my comment somehow relieves you of the
> responsibility
> to answer fully? No animals *have* to die for vegetarians to
> eat,
> but your shame surrounding your diet on meat stops you from
> publicly
> admitting it, even when bearing the forest example in mind.
> Bringing
> yourself to admit that a vegetarian *can* eat without killing
> animals
> just kills you dead with anger and frustration, so you'll keep
> denying
> this simple fact until the proverbial cows come home, even if
> it means
> making yourself the village idiot. I've never seen such denial
> and
> blatant stupidity before now, and I've been around a bit, I can
> tell
> you that.
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You post more blatent willful ignorance every post, liar....
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm
http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm
http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm
http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html
http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html
http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html
http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf
http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml
http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c
http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html
http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm
http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm
http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml
http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5
http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html
http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf
http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm
http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm
http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm
http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf
Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either,
here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton.
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm
To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there
can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
/natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and
maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple
dealing with power and communications.
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html