"Phil Odox" > wrote in message
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> rick wrote:
>> "Phil Odox" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>usual suspect wrote:
>>>
>>>>Phil Odox wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I've graciously accepted your claim that animals
>>>>>are occasionally killed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>They're killed systematically.
>>>
>>>No, I don't believe that they are,
>>
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>> Yes, they are. By the millions upon millions, killer.
>>
> No, I don't believe they're that prevalent. If they are, they
> needn't be.
> =======================
Then you can't read afterall. Thanks for the proof, killer.
>>
>> and even if they are they
>>
>>>don't *have* to be.
>>
>> ===========================
>> Yes, they do
>
> No, they don't have to be. Ancient forests existed before
> we arrived killing animals and using pesticides, and many
> of these forests contain vegetarian foods, so to claim
> vegetable and fruits can't grow unless we kill animals and
> use pesticides in light of this forest example is a lie.
> <cut>
>
>> No animals *have* to die to produce fruit
>>
>>>and vegetables, and that's what makes the vegetarian's choice
>>>a morally good one. Your diet on meat always entails the
>>>intentional killing of animals, whereas my diet on fruit and
>>>vegetables doesn't. Our intentions concerning our respective
>>>diets are poles apart, and you'll just have to live with your
>>>shame like every other meat eater has to.
>>
>> ===========================
>> Lying hypocrites have no superiority, fool...
>
> That's you, Rick: a lying hypocrite. No animals *have* to
> die for vegetarians to eat, but your shame surrounding your
> diet on meat stops you from publicly admitting it, even when
> bearing the forest example in mind. Bringing yourself to admit
> that a vegetarian *can* eat without killing animals just kills
> you dead with anger and frustration, so you'll keep denying
> this
> simple fact until the proverbial cows come home, even if it
> means
> making yourself the village idiot. I've never seen such denial
> and blatant stupidity before now, and I've been around a bit, I
> can tell you that.
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Yes, it does, because animals die by the millions and millions to
feed you, and provide for your entertainment. Yet here you are,
eating up every veggies you can and posting your inane crap while
your hands are dripping with blood.
Have a nice day hypocrite.
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/pesticideindex.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/fishkill.htm
http://www.pmac.net/summer-rivers.html
http://www.pmac.net/bird_fish_CA.html
http://oregonstate.edu/dept/ncs/news...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/pesticides/P...carbofuran.htm
http://www.nwf.org/internationalwildlife/hawk.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn36/pn36p3.htm
http://www.wwfcanada.org/satellite/p...eFactSheet.pdf
http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg07_Wildl...on/pg7f2b6.htm
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.wildlifedamagecontrol.com.../leastharm.htm
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://ipm.ncsu.edu/wildlife/small_grains_wildlife.html
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/sugarcane.htm
http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/...ele_poison.htm
http://species.fws.gov/bio_rhin.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
http://www.hornedlizards.org/hornedlizards/help.html
http://insects.tamu.edu/extension/bulletins/b-5093.html
http://www.orst.edu/dept/ncs/newsarc...00/nitrate.htm
http://www.orst.edu/instruct/fw251/n...riculture.html
http://www.pan-uk.org/pestnews/Pn35/pn35p6.html
http://www.greenenergyohio.org/defau...iew&pageID=135
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/capandtrade/power.pdf
http://www.nirs.org/licensedtokill/L...xecsummary.pdf
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html
http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/issues/towers/towers.htm
http://www.abcbirds.org/policy/towerkill.htm
http://www.mhhe.com/biosci/pae/es_ma...ticle_22.mhtml
http://www.netwalk.com/~vireo/devastatingtoll.html
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...7697992.htm?1c
http://www.energy.ca.gov/pier/energy...00-01-019.html
http://www.repp.org/repp_pubs/articl.../04impacts.htm
http://www.wvrivers.org/anker-upshur.htm
http://www.fisheries.org/html/Public...nts/ps_2.shtml
http://www.powerscorecard.org/issue_...cfm?issue_id=5
http://www.safesecurevital.org/artic...012012004.html
http://www.cgfi.org/materials/key_pu...oxic_Tools.pdf
http://www.ontarioprofessionals.com/organic.htm
http://hgic.clemson.edu/factsheets/HGIC2756.htm
http://www.biotech-info.net/deadly_chemicals.html
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/ipmnet/4-2art1.htm
http://europa.eu.int/comm/environmen...ing_annex1.pdf
Since your non-animal clothing isn't cruelty-free either,
here's a couple to cover some problems with cotton.
http://www.panna.org/panna/resources...Cotton.dv.html
http://www.sustainablecotton.org/TOUR/
http://www.gbr.wwf.org.au/content/problem/cotton.htm
To give you an idea of the sheer number of animals in a field,
here's some sites about *just* mice and voles. Note that there
can be 100s to 1000s in each acre, not the whole field.
http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache...state.edu/pubs
/natres/06507.pdf+%22voles+per+acre%22+field&hl=en&ie=UTF8
http://extension.usu.edu/publica/natrpubs/voles.pdf
http://extension.ag.uidaho.edu/district4/MG/voles.html
http://www.forages.css.orst.edu/Topi...rate/Mice.html
To cover your selfish pleasure of using usenet, and
maintaining a web page on same, here's are a couple
dealing with power and communications.
http://www.clearwater.org/news/powerplants.html
http://www.towerkill.com/index.html