wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Ernst Primer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > Vicki Beausoleil wrote:
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > Chung's the troll
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ouch. You may have at the other cheek.
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > Dr. Chung, you really gotta tone down that persecution complex.
> > > >
> > > > It remains my choice to continue to write truthfully.
> > >
> > > That's a nice, empty phrase you keep repeating. Ask anyone, and they
> > > will tell you they choose to write truthfully as well.
> >
> > That is not what I discern.
>
> Sigh. I guess that's your fortune-cookie way of saying 'I don't
> believe you."

Your guess is wrong.

> So, go ahead. Ask someone in this NG at random, "do you choose to
> write truthfully"? Chances are overwhleming anyone you ask at random
> will say yes.

Again, that is not what I discern.

> It's an empty phrase, much like a politician saying, "I
> am against crime," or "I am for lower taxes."

In your opinion.

> > > Anyways, you're papering over the obvious here - you decided to take
> > > the term "troll," as it was applied to you, as purely an insult.
> >
> > It remains my choice to turn the other cheek.
>
> It's your choice to turn your cheek, turn off your brain, whatever
> you like.

Sorry you don't like my truthful response.

> > > My
> > > advice is look for the truth in that statement.
> >
> > It would be like looking for the truth in satan.
>
> Look, I don't speak your lingo, but let me see if I can try - it
> isn't Satanic to be willing to examine your own flaws.

No such claim was made.

> What's Satanic
> is you completely denying yourself the opportunity to engage in a
> little self-reflection, and perversely using religious fervor to do it.

In Christ, one has died to selfishness.

> Your religion isn't supposed to blind you to people around you.

Following Christ is not a religion but a way of life.

> You frequently behave on this newsgroup like an annoying
> attention-hound.

In your opinion.

> You've been rude and short with people, but at the
> same time you seem to have the attitude that your religiousity should
> cut you a break.

More opinion.

> You seem to have the uncanny ability to take any
> thread off-topic. People call you on stuff like this.

Others also have God's gift of free will.

> My suggestion to you is that if you do that tiresome,
> oh-I'm-so-persecuted ouch-cheek thing everytime someone calls you on
> it, you lose a marvelous opportunity to actually, well, LEARN
> SOMETHING.

Sorry my choice to obey my LORD bothers you.

> But God's on your side, so you don't have to worry about
> stuff like, well, self-reflection, right?

"Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself."
teaches LORD Jesus Christ.

> >
> > > You're doing yourself
> > > and these newsgroup participants a disservice by not doing do.
> >
> > That would be your opinion.
>
> Yes, this is all my opinion. And, I could be wrong.
>
> (You should try saying that sometime).

(It remains my choice to stick with the truth rather than to formulate
an opinion).

> > > > > Vicki
> > > > > describes you as a 'troll' because that's the best description for what
> > > > > you do on these NGs... and yes, that's my (and many other's opinion).
> > > >
> > > > Thankfully, Google serves well to testify on which side of the truth you
> > > > stand.
> > >
> > > Since Google is merely the name of a search engine and a Newsgroups
> > > outlet, I have no idea what you're talking about.
> >
> > Google is also an archive.
>
> ... and as an archive, search engine, and a newsgroup outlet, it
> (google) isn't in a position to "testify" as to whether a description
> fits you best or not. In the service of modelling humble and
> intellectually honest behavior for you, I will concede to you - it's
> not really a question of truth, it's a matter of opinion (e.g. whether
> you are a troll or not). I'm convinced you are. You're convinced you're
> not.

In truth, how GOD regards me is the only thing that matters.

> > > Regardless, again,
> > > please keep in mind that the term "troll" is both pejorative and
> > > descriptive (for example, something like "****ing asshole" and "twerp"
> > > would be purely pejorative). Your focus on the pejorative connotations
> > > (as opposed to the descriptive connotations) of the word "troll" as it
> > > was applied to you was silly, and merely the umpteenth time you've
> > > melodramatically played the persecution card. It gets old, Andy.
> >
> > More of your opinions.
>
> More of the obvious from Dr. Chung.

Such is the truth for those who are able to discern it.

> This is the difference. I'm not
> so monstrously hung-up on my own infallibility (as you seem to be) that
> I label every other one of my opinions as "truth."

Your opinions are not the truth.

> >
> > > As a descriptor of your behavior, my *opinion* is that you are
> > > trolling, and therefore, are a troll.
> >
> > Thankfully, your opinion does not matter.
>
> <shrug> Actually, I note my words to you matter as much as they
> matter anywhere on Usenet - you're responding to me, and therefore
> reading what I write. There is no more valuable currency of "mattering"
> here than that.
>
> Publicly, I suspect you feel you have too much to lose to admit you
> ever take anyone's criticism's seriously, but privately, perhaps (I'm
> just being optimistic here), you're occasionally reflective. Maybe.
> Maybe not.

Insults are not criticisms. The former reveal a soul in need of
salvation. The latter are opportunities for the wise to grow in
knowledge. A person who does not know the difference is someone without
wisdom. The LORD is the source of all wisdom.

> >
> > > You can wiggle your cheeks all
> > > you want about it. Your recent TOS violations with your ISP and the
> > > repeated negative attention you seem to garner on Usenet has more to do
> > > with your trollish behavior (as opposed to your Christianity) than
> > > you're constitutionally able to admit to yourself.
> >
> > More opinion.
>
> Pedantic of you, but thanks. Again, I have a thing about
> intellectual honesty. I don't label my opinions as "truth" in knee-jerk
> fashion. Even if I'm speaking the truth, I sometimes don't even label
> it as such... perhaps I have an innate faith in my audience to
> eventually come to the correct conclusions on their own.

Your faith in others is misplaced.

> > > >
> > > > > To be fair, Bob's post to you was obviously a 'counter-trolling'
> > > > > post, so he's just trolling to your trolling.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, Bob's behavior arise from his obsessions.
> > >
> > > Perhaps you are both sides of the same coin.
> >
> > That would be your guess.
>
> Brilliant. That would be why I used the word "perhaps" when I
> commented on your guess about Bob's mental state.

Behavior is observed rather than guessed.

> > > >
> > > > See for yourself tomorrow...
> > >
> > > No thanks. You have nothing to offer me, and nothing to offer anyone
> > > I can see at ASDLC.
> >
> > My Lord offers eternal life for all those who will place their faith in
> > Him.
>
> .... which is completely off-topic for ASDLC, which is a big deal in
> the world of netiquette.

In truth, the chat was not held in ASDLC. Nor will it be held in ASDLC
next week.

> This may not seem important to you, after all, you're on a religious
> quest of some kind. But it's important to others, and that's exactly my
> point.

Your opinion is pointless.

Nonetheless, would be more than happy to chat about this and other
things like cardiology, diabetes and nutrition that interest you here
next week:

http://tinyurl.com/cpayh

For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for
how the Lord has reshaped me:

http://tinyurl.com/bgfqt

In Christ's love and service now and forever,

Andrew
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist

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