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Skanky wrote:
>>>>>When he broke his vegan diet
>>>>
>>>>Diet is not vegan. Diet is food. Veganism is about animal rights.
>>>
>>>Veganism is defined as diet.

>>
>>Wrong.

>
> As the MAIN DEFINITION


Wrong. That's not the "main definition," dummy. You're focused solely on
the least-common denominator definition rather than the full-blown
definition. The full definition points out what makes veganism what it
is and distinguishes it from vegetarianism: animal rights. Your focus on
the most simplistic BS definition rather than the big picture fails to
make the distinction between vegan and vegetarian. Look at your source's
definition of vegetarian:
Eater of fruits and grains and nuts; someone who eats no meat or
fish or (often) any animal products.

How is that qualitatively distinct from its definition of vegan? Read
the full definitions and you see that one (vegetarian) is primarily
related to diet while the other (vegan) primarily pertains to animal
rights. They're not synonyms, they're not interchangeable terms.

>>>Only the old fashioned original meaning

>>
>>WTF are you prating about now, Skanky? The original meaning hasn't
>>changed.

>
> You snipped what I was talking about.


I only snipped your irrelevant and pathetic attempts at sophistry. The
definition isn't as you present it.

> The fact that the main definition in that
> dictionary is a dietary only one.


Bullshit. That is NOT the main definition.

> Even though it may have
> been the original definition, it seems
> that it's become antiquated,


Wrong. Read it again and compare to VEGETARIAN from the same dictionary,
dipshit.

http://www.websters-online-dictionar...ion/vegetarian

>>>meant that it had to go hand in hand
>>>with the concept of animal rights.

>>
>>It still does.

>
> Not always.


Always.


>>>On the one hand, you are (mostly) a dietary
>>>vegan,

>>
>>Look more closely at your own source, you dope-smoking retard:
>>THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "DIETARY VEGAN." A "total
>>vegetarian" may eat a diet free of animals products for health
>>reasons, such as avoiding cholesterol, and not out of compassion
>>for animals. However, popular vegan author Joanne Stepaniak
>>writes that THE TERM "DIETARY VEGAN" IS INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE
>>VEGANISM IS BY DEFINITION ABOUT HELPING ANIMALS, and a term such
>>as "total vegetarian" should be used for people who avoid eating
>>animal products for health reasons but, for example, buy leather
>>shoes.

>
> You don't get it,


I do, you don't.

> There are 2 current definitions out these days.


No, there's one. You're confusing the definition of vegetarian for vegan
-- see your own source, dumb ass. It says:
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "DIETARY VEGAN...." THE TERM
"DIETARY VEGAN" IS INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE VEGANISM IS BY
DEFINITION ABOUT HELPING ANIMALS.

What then is one who avoids animal products for health reasons?
A "total vegetarian" may eat a diet free of animals products for
health reasons, such as avoiding cholesterol, and not out of
compassion for animals.

Again, compare the two definitions -- vegetarian, vegan -- from the
source you chose.