Dutch wrote:
> Derek is a full-blown Animal Rights Advocate Mike. He believes that it is
> immoral to buy meat at the supermarket or to use animals in medical
> research. He believes that there is no moral difference between humans and
> other animals.

And that's meant to make me feel better about you? FFS Give me break.

Dutch I read the above several times and I cant see an atom of
difference, in philosphic principle, to your idea that animals have a
right to a house, to food, not to be abused etc, NOTHING different at
all.

Its not uncommon to see the *morally corrupt* the morally bereft, eg
Dutch and Derek (if what you say about Derek is true) arguing over
nothing but by what *degrees* they ought be corrupt.

eg witness also the arguments between the Democrats and Republicans in
the US and between Labour and National in New Zealand or between Labor
and Liberals in Australia.



Michael Gordge