On 7 Sep 2005 11:24:43 -0700, "Rudy Canoza" > wrote:
>Derek wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:50:33 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>> >Derek wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:19:50 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>> >>>Derek wrote:
>> >>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:52:26 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>> >>>>>Derek wrote:
>> >>>>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:38:14 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>> >>>>>>>Derek wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:09:01 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>At present, "grass-fed beef" means exactly that: 100%
>> >>>>>>>>>grass-fed.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>No, that isn't true,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>Yes, it is true. The USDA has proposed, but NOT YET
>> >>>>>>>ADOPTED
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Not so.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>"The proposed marketing claim standards may be used in
>> >>>>>>conjunction with [non]existing regulations or voluntary
>> >>>>>>USDA grade standards in USDA Certified and USDA
>> >>>>>>Verified programs." [my edit]
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>and
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>"AMS is seeking public comment on the following proposed United
>> >>>>>>States Standards for Livestock and Meat Marketing Claims. New
>> >>>>>>participants in USDA Certified or USDA Verified programs will be
>> >>>>>>required to adhere to the United States Standards for Livestock and
>> >>>>>>Meat Marketing Claims immediately."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>So. PROPOSED, not adopted.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Adopted immediately
>> >>>
>> >>>NOT adopted.
>> >>>
>> >>>http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/stand/claim.htm
>> >>>http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/ls-st.htm
>> >>>http://www.ams.usda.gov/lsg/
>> >>>
>> >>>It is STILL only a proposed standard.
>> >>
>> >> What part in, "New participants in USDA Certified or
>> >> USDA Verified programs will be required to adhere to
>> >> the United States Standards for Livestock and Meat
>> >> Marketing Claims immediately." don't you understand?
>> >
>> >It doesn't mean what you're saying it means.
>>
>> It means that ALL "New participants in USDA Certified
>> or USDA Verified programs will be required to adhere
>> to the United States Standards for Livestock and Meat
>> Marketing Claims immediately
>
>It doesn't mean that producers must be participants in those programs

It means that the ones that are are feeding their
grass fed beef animals grains at the feedlot like
any other steer, and that they are freely entitled
to sell their beef as grass fed beef, knowingly
deceiving their customers and ruining your most
beloved collateral deaths rant in a single stroke.

>you ****wit.

Oh dear. Down there already, are we.

>It STILL is only a proposed standard. It has not been adopted.

"The proposed marketing claim standards may be used in
conjunction with [non]existing regulations or voluntary
USDA grade standards in USDA Certified and USDA
Verified programs." [my edit]

and

"AMS is seeking public comment on the following proposed United
States Standards for Livestock and Meat Marketing Claims. New
participants in USDA Certified or USDA Verified programs will be
required to adhere to the United States Standards for Livestock and
Meat Marketing Claims immediately."

>You lied.

Evidence from U.S.D.A. and the comments from disgruntled
beef producers proves otherwise.