On 30-Aug-2005, (Phred) wrote:

> >>| Creation of Unmoderated newsgroup aus.food
> >
> >>Wait a minute, there is a basic problem as the proposal is stated.
> >>-- the charter above overlaps existing international food newsgroup
> >>rec.food.cooking (RFC).
> >
> >aus.* is a regional hierarchy and as such its charters need to
> >be consistent only within the hierarchy. Overlap between charters
> >of international groups or other regional hierarchies is irrelevant.
> >
> >You're saying something like "you can't have an aus.computers.linux
> >because there are already comp.os.linux groups". That's not the way
> >regional hierarchies work.
>
> Well, that seems clear enough. :-)
>
> But continuing... What happens to regional proposals, such as this
> one, if the good denizens of the parallel international group decide
> they don't like the "competition" and vote against it in numbers?
> Do you only count "local" votes, or are votes from anywhere valid?
>
> Cheers, Phred.

The administration of usenet and specifically the inclusion or exclusion
of new groups is not contingent upon a general vote. That is, there is
no one to tally votes and thus authorize or deny a new group. The
purpose of the RFD is to provide the identification of a proposed new
group and to identify the pros and cons for such a group. The ensuing
discussion will allow the OP to further refine his/her newgroup
proposal pursuant to posting a formal 'newgroup' message. Providing
the 'newgroup' message meets various usenet criteria, it will likely
not be 'remgrouped' by one or more of the existing usenet administration
contributors. Who are the administration contributors? This is usenet
therefore there isn't a formally organized administration. Nevertheless,
it is pretty well managed by a number of IM professionals, typically
managers of major information systems such as universities.

In actual practice, anyone can post a 'newgroup' message, just as
anyone can post a 'remgroup' message. Generally speaking a 'newgroup'
will stand unless or until it is challenged with a 'remgroup' msg. Any
valid 'remgoup' will include the reason for posting it. In which case the
OP may correct or otherwise overcome the reason for rejection and
repost a 'newgroup' msg.

Case in point; we just read here that the posted objection to aus.food
stating it's comparison to rec.food.cooking is invalid due to aus.food
and rec.food being like apples and oranges. This the reason and
validation for the RFD. One does not have to be an expert to initiate
a new group. Plenty of experts will help if the request is valid. Beware
that the OP will have to present convincing evidence that the new
group will attract enough traffic to make it realistic. (That's one of
the requirments for a 'newgroup' msg.) Ultimately, individual ISP's
may carry or ignore group(s) at will.

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