Skanky Nutball wrote:
>>>>>Why waste my time. We are not talking about slow natural change.
>>>>
>>>>The warming over 11000 years ago was large, abrupt, and natural. The
>>>>"changes" you Chicken Littles keep harping about is small (0.6 degrees
>>>>C), slow, and open to discussion about how much if it's natural or
>>>>because of human activities.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>We are talking about the effects of pumping greenhouse gasses into
>>>>>the environment, which is not a natural cycle.
>>>>
>>>>Ipse dixit and not entirely correct: volcanos and other sources of
>>>>geothermal gas release emit plenty of greenhouse gases. So, too, do
>>>>the wastes from wildlife, livestock, and mankind. Those are ALL
>>>>natural sources of greenhouse gases.
>>>>
>>>>The fact that the increase has been only a fraction of a degree over
>>>>many decades should settle the discussion about the magnitude of any
>>>>"problem" when compared to known pre-industrial age warming events on
>>>>our planet which were much more drastic in much shorter amounts of
>>>>time. It's not a problem, and your sham solutions to it are nothing
>>>>but rehashed communism you want to force upon others.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Climate warning as Siberia melts
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Read this link first:
>>>>>>http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/abrupt.html
>>>>>
>>>>>Fine, abrupt climatic change can occur.
>>>>
>>>>What we're experiencing now is not abrupt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>However, you can not doubt that we are pumping greenhouse gasses into
>>>>>the atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>>I can and DO doubt that it's as catastrophic as you claim.
>>>
>>>Why waste my time?
>>
>>You started this discussion. I've demonstrated you were wrong about the
>>fuel efficiency of hybrid vehicles and, now, about the significance of
>>"global warming."
>>
>>
>>>Kyoto would have been a start.
>>
>>No, it would've been an end: an end to freedom, free markets, consumer
>>choice, and to our economic expansion. It would've created an imbalance
>>between nations like ours which already have stringent environmental
>>regulations and those, like China and India, without them; our economy
>>is already robust, developed, and mature, and theirs are now growing and
>>using fossil fuels much less efficiently or cleanly as we demand.
>>
>>
>>>Weather has become more extreme,
>>
>>Ipse dixit, unproven connection with respect to your 0.6-degree C
>>temperature rise. You have no evidence that the earth would be any
>>cooler if we all rode horses and had never burned a single drop of oil.
>>
>>
>>>permafrost is melting,
>>
>>Just as the massive glaciers did following the last Ice Age.
>>
>>
>>>and he says it's not extreme.
>>
>>It isn't extreme, but you are.
>>
>>
>>>Let other's judge.
>>
>>Others.
>>
>>
>>>We've had the hottest years in recorded history.
>>
>>Not here in Austin. We've set a couple of record low high temperatures
>>(i.e., in which the high temperature recorded for a certain date is
>>lower than it's ever been before) in the last couple of weeks.
>>
>>
>>>The worst storms.
>>
>>The climate has ALWAYS been in flux.
>>
>>
>>>There are other causes of change, but we are pumping
>>>CO2 and other gasses and changing wetlands and grasslands to asphalt
>>>islands. To not acknowledge that is pure stupidity, but in your case,
>>>it's a psychological problem.
>>
>>No, it is not.
>>
>>
>>>BTW, you're not "from Tampa',
>>
>>I never said I was. I'm from Texas. I was born on the Gulf Coast. You
>>weren't.
>>
>>
>>>your homeland was probably someplace in
>>>Europe.
>>
>>Guess again.
>
> If I had a penny for every time someone
> claimed to be part Indian...I'd be rich.

You don't, and you aren't.

> You cried

No.

> and whined

No, I objected.

> when I called you a boy

Awfully rich for you to call someone else a name which you allege has to
do with maturity considering your own self-crippling case of arrested
development.

> saying it was racist, and indicating by
> that that you were black.

I didn't say I was black. I've never claimed to be black. I come from an
interracial family.

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