usual suspect wrote:

> Beach Runner wrote:
>
>>> I hate to say that in the UK, and I can't comment on anywhere else as
>>> I live
>>> in London, it's quite common, unless you eat in a veggie restaurant (and
>>> there are some nice ones about), it will happen - they pay lip
>>> service to
>>> veggie food. I was in a cafe in Greenwich with my parents, I'm veggie,
>>> they're Kosher. We ordered the set veggie breakfast, after 10 mins they
>>> said sorry there's a delay they got the order wrong, fair enough we
>>> said.
>>> When the food finally came out, under my dad's veggie sausage was a
>>> piece of
>>> bacon! They'd obviously (badly) scraped off the wrong order and
>>> replaced
>>> our food on top, missing the piece of pig. You can't guarantee that
>>> they
>>> don't cook the same food (i.e. a veggie burger) in the same
>>> oil/pan/grill
>>> whatever as the meat ones. It's getting better but we have a long
>>> way to
>>> go, I went to a pub that does a Sunday rosat, and it was amazing,
>>> they had 3
>>> yes 3 veggie choice for main course, with 7 veg, spuds, yorkshire,
>>> stuffing
>>> etc., and the amazing thing proper veggie gravy, yum. It was great
>>> and we
>>> would go there again, but I won't ask them if they use the same pans
>>> etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> "LittleMissTerious" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Hoping somebody has some advice on how is best to proceed...
>>>>
>>>> I was absolutely mortified after finding a piece of bacon in my
>>>> peas/carrots whilst out for a Yate's "vegetarian roast" on sunday. I
>>>> have been veggie for 17 years (the proper non-fish eating, non-gelatine
>>>> eating type!!!!) so as you can imagine I'm feeling pretty sick to the
>>>> stomach - thank God I didn't eat it, tho the thought of having eaten
>>>> vegetables that had been in contact with it - well, I won't dwell on
>>>> that one, I'm sure you get the idea.
>>>>
>>>> The manager was pleasant and sympathetic, gave us a refund and said I
>>>> should contact head office and "take it as far as I'd like". Have to
>>>> say I feel like suing the ars*s off em, but this is the UK, so probably
>>>> not likely to happen. He thinks it was a cross-contamination - probably
>>>> fell off a bacon something or another on a higher shelf, tho frankly I
>>>> don't think that is acceptable!
>>>>
>>>> Anybody have any ideas who I should call - they obviously need some
>>>> sort of inspection & to look at their kitchen design.
>>>>
>>>> Any advice would be gratefully received.

If you read the newspapers there are health reports daily. Call them.
>>>>
>>>> Lisa
>>>> x
>>
>>
>> That demonstrates that Kosher laws were scientifically correct,
>
>

It shows how mixing implements can lead to danger.
> No, it doesn't. Non sequitur. I can't believe how stupid you are.
>
>> that food mixing in preparation was a real concern.
>
>
> It was NOT a concern. People have long mixed foods and ingredients. It
> has NO bearing on health so long as the ingredients aren't contaminated.
>
If you cut dead flesh and then use the same knife on veggies, you cross
contaminate the food.

Now we even outlaw butcher blocks because they retain bacteria.
>> Now we see the same problem with vegetarian contamination.
>
>
> It's not a problem. She got a refund. They'll try to figure out what
> happened and insure it doesn't happen again.
>

No, she had a problem. Her meal was ruined. And it demonstrated that
food preparers tried to cover up their mistakes.
>> And of course, it is well known that cross food contamination is
>> common at most restaurants.
>
>
> She didn't get PHYSICALLY ill, numb nuts. She's having a MENTAL
> breakdown because of an irrational fear that somehow she's no longer as
> "pure" as she was beforehand because some of the food passing down her
> throat merely came into contact with something she finds offensive. She
> is orthorexic.


And a vegan for many reasons. That doesn't mean she's orthorexic. She
doesn't want contaminated food that's been obviously tampered with.

>
>> They use the same knife or board to cut the dead flesh as chop veggies
>> resulting in diseases like E Coli.
>
>
> E coli isn't spread by contact with flesh, but rather through fecal
> contamination.
Which is common in uncooked flesh from factory farms, along with other
bacteria.

E coli can contaminate produce which NEVER comes into
> contact with meat. That was the case when Odwalla juices sickened small
> children because their hippie parents thought "unpasteurized organic"
> foods and juices were somehow superior to anything else.
>
Hippie parents? What a prejudiced person, not just anti semetic.
Organic foods contain less pesticides, and this comes from consumer
reports. But you know better. You'd probably trust the guy in the food
industry first before Consume Reports. He never heard of conflict of
interest?.

I live in Florida. If you can't taste the difference between fresh
squeezed juice and Tropica something ELSE is wrong with you.


>> Your concern is well placed.
>
>
> No, it's irrational and sign of a mental illness.
>
No, she chooses not to eat meat, ordered a meatless meal, and got one
anyway, even though her servers tried to fool her. If they'll do that
they'll pick up food from the floor, they've shown they can't be
trusted. They've shown they can't be trusted.


You are not the one to make judgments on other's.




>> People that
>
>
> WHO, not that.
>
>> have worked in the restaurant business will tell you how unhealthy
>> they are with few exceptions.
>
>
> Health inspectors would like to know where these violators are located.
>

They do all the time. Read the reports, rarely does an establishment
come out clean.
>> And the workers often lack basic hygiene that handle your food.
>
>
> Inform health inspectors. That's one of the first things they observe.
>

Yes, read the reports, but trust your own eyes first.
>> One should be careful where they eat,
>
>
> ONE should be careful where HE or SHE eats. Make your pronouns agree
> with antecedents, dummy.
>



>> and don't be embarrassed to inspect. If the bathroom isn't clean, how
>> can the food be?
>> If they don't take proper care of their garbage, that's a terrible sign.
>
>
> I'd stay out if they had homeless people or bumbling riff-raff like you
> loitering around their premises.

I'll ignore that stupid remark. I gave practical advice, given to me by
someone who taught food preparation. And is obvious.