You have a serious case of fear
of non-conformity. All the below
quotes prove that.


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SN
http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/

"usual suspect" > wrote in message
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> Skanky wrote:
> >>>>>>>>You don't need to know much nutrition to go veg*n
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Just like one doesn't need to know much nutrition to go anorexic or
> >>
> >>>>>>>bulimic or to go any other eating disorder.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Eating vegetarian is not an eating disorder. That is a lie.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Veganism IS an eating disorder. You want a website? Try this one,
> >>>>>numb nuts:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>www.orthorexia.com
> >>>
> >>>He calls sever underweight a desease. He does not mention veganism
> >>
> >>It’s great to eat healthy food, and most of us could benefit by
> >>paying a little more attention to what we eat. However, some
> >>people have the opposite problem: they take the concept of
> >>healthy eating to such an extreme that it becomes an obsession.
> >>I call this state of mind orthorexia nervosa: literally,
> >>"fixation on righteous eating."
> >>http://www.orthorexia.com/index.php?page=katef
> >>
> >>He continues on that page with a series of questions, nearly all of
> >>which are apropos to veganism:
> >>
> >>Do you wish that occasionally you could just eat, and not think
> >>about whether it’s good for you? Has your diet made you
> >>socially isolated? Is it impossible to imagine going through a
> >>whole day without paying attention to your diet, and just living
> >>and loving? Does it sound beyond your ability to eat a meal
> >>prepared with love by your mother – one single meal – and not
> >>try to control what she serves you? Do you have trouble
> >>remembering that love, and joy, and play and creativity are more
> >>important than food?
> >
> > What the above describes is
> > simply the situation of someone
> > who is the only vegan for miles
> > around.
>
> No, it does not. It describes a situation in which an individual's
> preoccupation with healthful eating becomes an unhealthful obsession.
> Whether that person has others around her with a similar eating disorder
> is irrelevant. They're equally dysfunctional. Birds of a feather.
>
> > Of course they are
> > going to feel out of place and
> > awkward when having to deal
> > with what others try to insist on
> > feeding them.
>
> The more you write, Skanky, the more I know you're orthorexic. The
> operative part isn't *feeling awkward*, it's that someone even feels
> someone else is insisting on feeding her something she considers "bad."
> This is true regardless of what someone's repulsion is: fat, sweets,
> meat, or micrograms of animal-derived ingredients. In that sense,
> veganism is the apex of orthorexia because the disordered eater is
> trying to avoid foods which may not even be of animal origin; and, if
> the ingredients are of animal origin, they're in such small quantity
> that virulent objections are irrational and completely out of place.
>
> > That's only part
> > of the above though. This bull
> > about love, joy, etc. makes it
> > sound like automatically a
> > person is doing something
> > wrong if they don't give them
> > priority over their food, as
> > though all can't exist at the
> > same level of priority as each
> > other.
>
> Food offered out of love, such as when a mother cooks a meal or treat
> for her child, should not be rejected because it contains small amounts
> of ingredients which the child would never use. The child is not
> shunning the objectionable ingredients, but the love with which such
> food is offered. Similarly, one is very disturbed when she obsesses over
> the inclusion of certain ingredients rather than over enjoyment of the
> food. That is the disorder, Skanky. It's an obsession, and it's unhealthy.
>
> > It makes it sound like
> > there is something wrong
> > with anyone who pays a lot of
> > attention to their diet.
>
> There *is* something wrong with irrational obsessions like vegans have
> in rooting out every microgram of animal ingredient -- even to the point
> of eliminating ingredients which one isn't sure are of animal origin.
>
> Do you think this "buzz" clown is mentally healthy with his obesession
> about whether or not honey might be in his incense? And how about his
> response where he seems to indicate he's more concerned about bees than
> his own health? Nevermind. I remember your response to information about
> the toxins in your marijuana smoke.
>
> >>Consider the question asked in the "party ideas" thread, and one of the
> >>replies to me in it. Ordinary people don't have a dilemma when it comes
> >>to having a party. They provide a variety of foods which should appeal
> >>to most people. Here we have a vegan who insists others adopt her eating
> >>habit (disorder) when visiting her new home or apartment. It's nothing
> >>at all like someone who doesn't like a particular kind of food, it's a
> >>blanket objection to entire groups of food most people in our society
> >>don't find objectionable.
> >
> > If a vegan is holding a party
> > that you are attending, of course
> > you should expect to be served
> > vegan food.
>
> If vegans will be the only ones in attendance. Some party that would be.
>
> > Just as when you
> > go to a meat eater's party, you
> > should expect that if you're
> > vegan, you might or might not
> > find stuff to eat (eat a bit before
> > going out just in case).
>
> I've never gone to any party where I couldn't find something I could eat.
>
> >>I politely stated that I cater to my guests' tastes rather than my own
> >>in situations like that. There are certain foods which I don't like, but
> >>I know my guests do. *I*'m entertaining *them*. They wouldn't be
> >>entertained by off-putting statements about my likes or dislikes, nor
> >>should they be subjected to disapproval of their own choices of food (or
> >>drink; I provide alcohol at most of my parties and gatherings, but I
> >>don't drink).
> >
> > You need meat and booze to
> > lure people to your parties.
>
> No, I don't.
>
> > Considering your personality,
> > I'm not surprised.
>
> I have more friends than you, and I've no fears which prevent me from
> being with any number of them at any given time.
>
> >>The reply from Ron was typical of the vegan eating disorder: "So you go
> >>out and slaughter a steer just to appease the blood hunger of your
> >> guests?"
> >
> >>Mentally disturbed people like Ron believe they should subject guests in
> >>their homes to irrational lectures about veganism. Not only do they
> >>forbid themselves of certain foods, they deny it to others and impugn
> >>them incessantly for even wanting it.
> >
> > Who said anything about lecturing
> > guests?
>
> That goes hand-in-hand with veganism. It's not enough to say, "No,
> thanks." Vegans ALWAYS condemn and impugn others for their dietary
choices.
>
> >>They have disorders their pursuit is so extreme that they, and those
> >>around them (e.g., party guests), don't enjoy themselves. They're too
> >>busy trying to avoid micrograms of animal parts that enjoyment is
> >>completely lost.
> >
> > And you know this because.....
> > how many vegan parties have
> > you attended?
>
> Quite a few, and I was so put off by the holier-than-thou attitudes at
> the Vegetarian Network of Austin pot-luck I attended that I refuse to
> ever go to one again. I see they haven't changed:
> All are invited to our potlucks for fun and fellowship with
> other vegetarians and those interested in learning more about
> it. Families, couples and single folks are welcome!
>
> Please bring a vegan (no dairy or other animal products) dish to
> serve 8 to share. Also, no diningware is provided, so please
> bring a plate and utensils.
>
> In respect of those folks with allergies, please refrain from
> wearing perfume or heavy scents.
> http://www.vegnetaustin.org/
>
> >>>>>See also:
> >>>>>
> >
> >
http://www.compulsiveeating.com/vege...disorder.ht m
> >
> >>>"Family, friends, clinicians, and vegetarians themselves, need to know
> >>>that the potential exists for vegetarianism and veganism to mask an
> >>>eating disorder," Morand said.
> >>
> >>Correct.
> >>
> >>
> >>>This doesn't mean vegetarianism is the
> >>>cause of an eating disorder, or that people shouldn't adopt a
vegetarian
> >>>lifestyle, but it may be a way for the individual who is struggling
with
> >>>food and weight issues to justify her or his restrictive eating
> >
> > behaviours.
> >
> >>>He does not call it a eating disorder.
> >>
> >>Dr Bratman does.
> >>
> >>
> >>>There are plenty of healthy vegans.
> >>
> >>Irrelevant to the issue at hand. Veganism is an eating disorder.
> >
> > According to the questions you
> > quoted near the top of this page,
> > if a vegan is still feeling love and
> > joy etc. in her/his life, then they
> > don't have this (non medically
> > accepted) disease.
>
> No, and I'm not surprised your reading comprehension is so poor that you
> would say that. Pay attention to this: "Do you wish that occasionally
> you could just eat, and not think about whether it’s good for you?"
> Similarly, one could ask a vegan, "Do you wish that occasionally you
> could just eat, and not think about whether or not it has micrograms of
> animal parts?" And the part about eating A SINGLE MEAL cooked by your
> mother is also important. Not a "vegan" meal cooked by your mother, but
> A SINGLE MEAL without any consideration for the ingredients but only for
> the love your mother is showing you. Vegans have a rigidly unhealthy
> obsession with food. It is an eating disorder.
>
> >>>There are more unhealthy meat eaters dieing of cancer and heart
desease.
> >>
> >>Vegans die of cancer and heart disease, too, dummy.
> >
> > Not as much.
>
> Ipse dixit. What's the death rate of meat-eaters? 100%. What's the death
> rate of veg-ns? 100%. Both groups die of the same diseases; some meat
> eaters, particularly those indisciminate in their choices, tend to die a
> bit younger. Veg-ns, though, can also die younger because they're at
> higher risk of certain cancers. Show the whole picture, Skanky, and
> there's really no difference especially if you compare apples to apples
> by comparing healthful diets which include meat to healthful vegetarian
> diets. (You've always refused to do that.)
>
> > You know that too.
>
> I know enough to distinguish between healthful diets which include meat
> and unhealthful ones which exclude meat.
>
> > The reason you used to eat
> > vegan was for health and
> > aesthetics. Even now you only
> > have a little fish infrequently.
>
> The fish I've eaten was healthful. I've not turned down meals prepared
> for me by family members or my friends just because they use foods I
> normally don't. I don't obsess about my food like you do.
>
> > The rest is vegan food you eat.
>
> Food is not vegan. Food is food. Like vegans, you have an unhealthy
> obsession with food. You're not a "vegan wannabe," you're an "eating
> disorder wannabe." You have orthorexia, Skanky.