usual suspect wrote:

> Beach Runner wrote:
>
>> To see how much effect being vegan rather than vegetarian makes, how
>> about some maths...
>
>
> That's it, Bobby. Just make it up as you go along.
>
>> A dairy cow produces about 6,000 litres of milk a year, and live for
>> (I think) about 5 years.
>
>
> You dope. They live and produce a bit longer than that.
>
>> Suppose they have 8 male calves a year (that's a total guess),
>
>
> No kidding. It's a ****ing wild guess. Try one calf per year.
>
>> then (ignoring female offspring)
>
>
> Why not hypothetically kill them, too, dumb ass?
>
>> we've got a total of 41 slaughtered cows for every 30,000 litres of
>> milk produced.
>
>
> Not quite. The chance of each birth being male is 50% and each dairy cow
> will produce for up to ~10 years (let's round it there to make it easy
> for you, dope). So, assuming an average of 6 kl of milk and one live
> birth per year, that's five bulls that make it to slaughter over ten
> years and 60,000 liters of milk -- a rate of one slaughter per 12,000
> liters of milk. You're only off by a factor of sixteen. Not what I'd
> expect from someone with a Master's from Columbia (hawhaw!), but about
> what I'd expect from you.
>
>> So that's one death for every 731 litres of milk produced.
>
>
> No, one per 12,000 liters.
>
>> Now, suppose you drink 2 litres of milk a week which is about 100
>> litres a year.
>>
>> So, with those figures, you would account for one cow's death every 7
>> years 4 months by being vegetarian rather than vegan.
>
>
> Even if your math were correct, and it *isn't*, is it worth depriving
> oneself of nutrients and enjoyment that comes from consuming dairy
> products when the alternatives -- rice milk, soy milk, etc. -- lead to
> far more than one animal death every ~7.3 years?
>
>> I'm fairly sure my maths and logic there is correct.
>
>
> Your math and logic are wrong. At the rate of 100 liters per year, it
> would take someone 120 years to consume the 12,000 liters to average out
> to one bull's death. *Twelve decades*, numbnuts. In that century and a
> fifth, you would recommend soy milk and/or rice milk -- made from crops
> which are lethal to other animals like mice, rats, rabbits, raccoons,
> possum, snakes, frogs, birds, deer, etc. -- just to save ONE ****ing
> bull. You clearly don't care about animals because you'd rather see a
> pile of rotting corpses for soy milk than to see people eat the flesh of
> just that one bull. And that's why you object -- you don't give a shit
> if animals actually die, you just don't want people to EAT meat.
>
>> But hopefully someone can come up with more accurate figures, but I'm
>> sure it will show that it really does make an immediate difference.
>
>
> The difference made by my taking the time to do this is that everyone --
> vegan or not -- can judge for himself or herself what a flake you are.

The gestation could certainly be wrong. I admit when I'm wrong.

Male cows are made into VEAL, a horrible fate. This jerk doesn't care
about cruelty to animals.

Now cows are only used these days to produce milk for a shorter period
than their life space.


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> <snip of absolutely mindless rah-rah cheerleading>