Rupert wrote:

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>>Now, you next main problem with the "suffering", vegan side or meat eater
>>side. You have no way to prove that all, or even a majority, of livestock,
>>suffer at all.
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> Yes, I do.

No, you don't. Stop lying.


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>>By the same token, meat eaters use figures skewed or spun to
>>make their side look better. Terms like "up to" and "as many as". No
>>problem at all, the choice is an individuals to make. Preaching only makes
>>people dig their heels in.
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>>You must admit crop production causes death and suffering, as any meat eater
>>will tell you some animals suffer because of their decisions. There is no
>>way to avoid it, from either side.
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> Yes, but I think I have reason to believe a vegan diet minimizes the
> contribution to suffering.

No, and here we see what your real motive is:
self-aggrandizement. You are attempting to claim you
are virtuous, "more moral", by comparing yourself with
others. Virtue NEVER consists in making an odious
comparison with others. Virtue ONLY consists in
abiding by moral principles. You aren't doing it.
Refraining from consuming animal parts is not abiding
by moral principles; it's following a dimwitted rule.

You are not minimizing. You could make some kind of
change in your consumption and cause fewer deaths.

>>I have no problem with the "health vegan", that uses the diet for supposed
>>health benefits, they usually aren't preachy. It is the hippie vegans that
>>act like Jahova Witnesses and try to convert you using half the facts, and
>>half of those wrong, that make my ass pucker.
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