"Dutch" > wrote in message
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>
> "Scented Nectar" > wrote
> > "Dutch" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Scented Nectar" > wrote
> >> > "Dutch" > wrote
> >> >> "Scented Nectar" > calls herself
> >> >>
> >> >> > Killer of some bugs and a few
> >> >> > worms.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are refusing to recognize the deaths of the many invertebrates,
> > birds
> >> >> and mammals that your comfortable lifestyle is built upon. Your weak
> >> >> attempts to dismiss them by using words like "mostly wrong" are
> > pathetic
> >> > and
> >> >> immoral in the extreme. You insist on creating this glorified image
of
> >> >> yourself, but refuse to acknowledge either the animals that die to
> > serve
> >> >> your daily wants and needs, or those people who do better than you
but
> >> >> who
> >> >> don't follow your rules. You are a perfect example of the
> >> >> closed-minded
> >> >> bigotry that "veganism" creates.
> >> >
> >> > Immoral in the extreme? Nonsense.
> >>
> >> You're right, that was hyperbole, it's not extreme, it's minor-league,
> >> garden variety, smarmy smugness.
> >
> > Then what's the big deal?
>
> It's a petty, creepy little deal. You like being a petty, creepy little
> person, and I don't like people like that.

Big deal. I don't like you either.

> >> > Glorified image? Nonsense. No
> >> > more than any other person of
> >> > good self esteem.
> >>
> >> Most people don't base their self-esteem on cheesy diet-based moral
> >> relativity.
> >
> > Mine is based on many things
> > including my diet.
>
> Diet is a large part of yours, too large.

You would consider any
amount too large. Considering
the topics of these newsgroups
I talk often about being veg. and
why I think it's a good thing. You
on the other hand are just here
to pick on vegans.

> >> > I fully realize
> >> > that cds happen,
> >>
> >> No you don't, you refer to yourself glowingly as "a killer of bugs and
a
> > few
> >> worms".
> >
> > Are you counting bugs and
> > worms now?
>
> Why not? Vegans count bees and silkworms.

Well you can count it if you
like, but I won't. My homemade
pesticide kills some bugs and
repels others.

> > Why did you
> > think 'glowingly'?
>
> Because of the way you pose.

What pose?

> >> > but I also see
> >> > that animal products as a whole
> >> > cause much more.
> >>
> >> That's probably true but not the point.
> >
> > It's very much the point.
>
> It's NOT the point. YOUR behaviour is what you are judged on, not some
> nebulous group to which you claim to belong.

There's nothing nebulous about
the fact that vegetarians are
connected to much fewer cds
than meat eaters. As for my
behaviour, just what is it you
are complaining about?

> >> > If you want
> >> > to discuss the fringe meat Rick
> >> > eats, let's compare it to vegan
> >> > food someone has grown with
> >> > no cds.
> >>
> >> Your moral equation MUST acknowledge the dietary impact of "fringe
> >> meat-eaters" compared to YOU, because you are basing YOUR self-image
> >> based
> >> on the relative dietary impacts of others. YOU set up the ground-rules
> >> for
> >> this game of cheesy moral relativity, now you must play by them.
> >
> > I only need to compare my own
> > diet with what it was before
> > becoming veg. I'm not going
> > to compare it to fringe meats
> > because I never used to eat
> > them.
>
> That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. If you used to be a murderer
> and a rapist can you feel pride in being only a rapist? People are judged
on
> what they do, period, not compared to what they used to do.

Your examples are absurd.
Wild meats could never satisfy
demand for meat in the world.
Grass fed meats are often a
scam since hay counts as a
grass and has many connected
cds. The above meats would
also never satisfy the demand
for pork and poultry products.

> >> A person who bases their self-image on, say, skill in chess playing,
may
> >> take pride in the many opponents they can defeat, but to be real and
> > honest
> >> they also MUST be willing to admit that they are hacks compared to
> > millions
> >> of other players.
> >
> > You seem to want people to
> > not have a good self image
> > unless they do as you tell them
> > to do. It seems to bug you
> > that I like myself.
>
> You have no business feeling dietary superiority over people who consume
> "fringe meats" as you call them, because they probably cause less animal
> death than you.

I first off feel dietary 'superiority'
about my diet healthwise.
Secondly, I don't think of fringe
meats as being the good thing
that you think they are. Nor do
I think they have no cds.

> >> You're not being real and honest. You want the smug feeling of
comparing
> >> yourself to the "opponents you can defeat", but you are not prepared to
> >> openly acknowledge those who are your betters.
> >
> > My 'betters'? What interesting
> > wording you use. Who do you
> > think are my betters and why?
>
> According the principle you proclaim that killing animals is [sic] "mostly
> wrong", YOU are MORE "mostly wrong" than the consumer of fringe meat, thus
> they are better than you, according to your criteria.

I don't think a fringe meat eater
is better than my vegetarian
eating. So we don't agree on
that.

> >> You think you'll lose something if you do, but you won't.
> >
> > Why would I make an
> > acknowledgement that I
> > don't believe? Are you
> > suggesting that I lie?
>
> I'm suggesting that you stop evading, see and admit the truth. Trying
weakly
> to be a "vegan" is not a path to moral high ground, it's a recipe (you
like
> recipes) for moral confusion, like yours.

It's a good recipe for health.


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