"usual suspect" > wrote in message
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> Spastic Ditz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>><..>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi S. Sorry, but have to correct you, below..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. As far as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>earthworms go, it's fine to chop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them in half with your shovel.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>"To whom do lions cast their gentle looks?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not to the beast that would usurp their den…
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>The smallest worm will turn being trodden on,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>And doves will peck in safeguard of their brood."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shakespeare Henry VI, Part 3,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I've done enough gardening
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>in good soil to know that it can't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>be avoided.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>IOW, you didn't give a shit about certain kinds of animals
> >
> > (worms)
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>>>because they're an inconvenience to you. So much for your
> >>>
> >>>principle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>that
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>"killing animals is wrong."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I've never denied killing
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>You're as ruthless as a farmer with a combine.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>><...>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I don't deny killing
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>You do when discussing your own consumption.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I never denied killing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You have repeatedly. You claim you're not culpable for deaths
> >>>
> >>>attributed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>to your consumption, but here you admit you've ACTIVELY killed
> >
> > animals
> >
> >>>>>>>>yourself. Your principles are bullshit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I never denied killing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You've written that "killing animals is wrong" and now you're
> >
> > splitting
> >
> >>>>>>hair after hair to justify yourself and your own murderous "wrong"
> >>>>>>rampages. I love all your squirming, Skanky.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>No squirming,
> >>>>
> >>>>You're squirming like one of the worms you cut in half before it died.
> >>>>Writhing in pain.
> >>>
> >>>I'm sitting calmly. No pain.
> >>
> >>I offered a simile to describe the spin you keep putting on your moral
> >>confusion. Your incessant wavering through qualifications (e.g.,
> >>"mostly") and through your admission that you've personally killed small
> >>animals shows how unrealistic you find your own principles.
> >
> > What small animals? If you
> > are now counting bugs and
> > worms as cds, please clarify
> > this.
>
> Worms, bugs, mice, birds, snakes, frogs, and even human beings. You
> don't practice what you preach, and your weaseling attempts only
> demonstrate how insincere you are about your position that "killing
> animals is wrong."

Stop quoting me incorrectly.
And do you really think that
there are going to be human
cds in my retirement garden???

> >>>>>>>>>>>although I did previously
> >>>>>>>>>>>think that BOTH halves
> >>>>>>>>>>>regenerate.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>You also previously "thought" that no animals died during the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>production
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>of your food.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Now that you've brought up cds,
> >>>>>>>>>only good can come of it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Maybe Derek will straighten you out on your contradictory
positions
> >>>
> >>>that
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>"killing animals is wrong" and this new suggestion that good can
> >
> > arise
> >
> >>>>>>>>from it. Then again, consistency isn't his strongest suit.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Get it right,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I did.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>For a market demand to take place,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You dingbat. Demand already takes place. Demand *changes*.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>the market has to know what
> >>>>>>>>>they want.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Meat.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Now, through these
> >>>>>>>>>newsgroups, a lot of people
> >>>>>>>>>will start demanding cd-free
> >>>>>>>>>foods.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>A very marginal niche. Even among vegetarians -- less than 2% of
the
> >>>>>>>>population -- there is little or no demand for cd-free foods.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Maybe there will be.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Never.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Stop snipping the part you're
> >>>>>replying to.
> >>>>
> >>>>There will NEVER be significant demand for "veganic" produce, you
twit.
> >>>
> >>>Who knows what the future might
> >>>bring?
> >>
> >>In this case, I can make a very safe assumption that there will never be
> >>any significant demand for "veganic" produce. "Serious vegetarians" are
> >>a stagnant demographic -- below two-percent of the population. That
> >>leaves the other 98%-plus who eat at least some meat and who have no
> >>concern about dead animals or micrograms of animal parts in their food.
> >>They'd be pretty hard-pressed to pay the premium prices for subsistence
> >>farming practices "veganic" foods would command (labor costs associated
> >>with "veganic" agriculture would rise astronomically).
> >>
> >>You're a self-marginalized twit in a marginal niche category. And you're
> >>so ****ing clueless you don't even realize it.
> >
> > Both you and Rudy have
> > a fear of marginalization.
>
> No, neither of us has any fear of that. Speaking for myself, I'm
> *amused* by it.
>
> > You use it as a frequent
> > insult. Do you have that
> > much fear over nonconformity?
>
> Non-conformity has nothing to do with "veganic" foods. Address the issue
> at hand, Skanky.

Ask nicely.

> > I don't. Some of the choices
> > I make in life are mainstream
> > but some aren't.
>
> "Veganic" isn't mainstream. It's not even on the fringes of mainstream
> acceptance.

Oh my, how awful.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>There will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>earthworm cuttings. How can
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>it be avoided?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>By carefully using a small spoon instead of roto-tilling them
to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>smithereens, you heartless old cow.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>A spoon wouldn't work either,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Better than your maniacal roto-tilling.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I have
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You've killed animals, Skanky.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I don't count bugs and worms.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I believe killing is wrong.
> >>>>>>-- Skanky
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mostly,
> >>>>
> >>>>You can spin it all you want with such qualifications, but it doesn't
> >>>>change the underlying meaning of your original position that killing
> >>>>animals is wrong.
> >>>
> >>>Mostly.
> >>
> >>Irrelevant spin.
> >>
> >>
> >>>I think the bugs are a
> >>>good example. I'm willing to
> >>>kill
> >>
> >>I know. Your consumption proves it. You have a variety of alternatives
> >>available to you, yet you make excuses because you value convenience and
> >>your personal tastes to the "values" which you give petty lip-service.
> >
> > Alternatives to killing a few
> > bugs in the growing of my
> > foods? Do share.
>
> You don't grown your own food. You buy it. You buy stuff without regard
> for how many CDs it causes.

I buy knowing that I am
connected to less cds than
I was as a meat eater. As
for growing my own, when
I retire, I can with no problem.

> >>>>>>>>>Shovel and hand breaking/mixing is
> >>>>>>>>>my prefered method.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>It won't be if you have FIVE ACRES, dumb ass.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>That would still cut up an
> >>>>>>>>>>>earthworm here and there.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Not if you're more careful.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Any method of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>breaking up the soil, that I know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>of, is going to have it happen.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Careless worm killer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Oooooo.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>So much for your principles that killing animals is wrong.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Did you forget the mostly part
> >>>>>>>>>again?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>No, that part doesn't matter.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yeah it does.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No, it doesn't in either your principle or your practice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>It makes a huge difference.
> >>>>
> >>>>It makes NO difference, Skanky.
> >>>
> >>>It obviously does to me,
> >>
> >>It shouldn't matter one bit whether you claim it's "wrong" or "mostly
> >>wrong." You reach the same logical conclusion from either position
> >>(because it's still the same position). We're right back at Mr Canoza's
> >>example of how often you would molest a child: just because you cut back
> >>on the number of times doesn't make you a better person or make your
> >>position more respectable. It's still wrong, period.
> >
> > Oh no, don't tell me he's got
> > you thinking about his fave
> > fantasy now too! Rather than
> > use such examples, say what
> > you mean. Are you talking
> > about bugs here, or cds as
> > a whole? If cds as a whole,
> > are you including bugs?
>
> All animals that die as a result of your consumption.

If you're going to be including
bugs in this, I'm bailing. Argue
with someone else.

> >>>and
> >>>since it's my principles we are
> >>>discussing, my say on it stands.
> >>
> >>Your principles are bullshit and you know it. You don't walk the walk,
> >>you don't practice what you preach.
> >
> > It doesn't matter what you think.
>
> Then why do you feebly try to convince me that you're doing everything
> you reasonably can?

As a not-so-feeble reply.
Whether it convinces you or
not doesn't matter too much,
as long as I get to tell my
viewpoint too.

> > It's me who decides what my
> > morals and principles are.
>
> You've shared them with us. You've also proven they mean nothing to you.

I must have missed sharing them
with you since you misquote them
all the time. What's up with that?

> > I'm happy with what I do and don't
> > do.
>
> That's not a moral or a principle. It's your cop-out.

It's just a simple statement to
let you know that I'm not that
I won't fall for your straw men
where you try to put the blame
of cds on me.

> >><...>
> >>
> >>>>>All manure must be
> >>>>>composted before it's addition.
> >>>>
> >>>>Not commercial amendments. They say it's fully composted, but they
don't
> >>>>always achieve their goal.
> >>>
> >>>On 5 acres,
> >>
> >>Pipedream. You'll never have one acre, Skanky.
> >
> > Why not?
>
> Because you don't do jack shit now.
>
> > When I retire, I can
> > pretty much live anywhere I
> > like, within reason.
>
> Hardly.

With pensions and benefits I
can live pretty much anywhere.

> > The prices
> > are good where I'm considering.
>
> Prices are good? Ha ha! WTF does that mean? You better hope for a
> correction in real estate if you want to retire south of your border.
> Prices this way have been rising steadily.

Currently, I'm thinking of the
smallish patches of zone 6
in southern Ontario. But
who knows. I could always
retire to the US.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Also, in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>turning the compost bins,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>if there are worms there,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>they could get hurt.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Don't abuse the worms, killer.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Too late.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I know. Killer.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I don't deny that some worms
> >>>>>>>>>will be causualties. I never did.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You denied it -- and excused it -- up until you learned that
cutting
> >>>>>>>>worms kills them instead of causes them to reproduce.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Actually it kills one half of them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I believe killing animals is wrong.
> >>>>>>-- Skanky
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Mostly,
> >>>>
> >>>>Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, killer.
> >>>
> >>>Killer of some bugs and a few
> >>>worms.
> >>
> >>Direct culpability for those and directly for many other animals in the
> >>form of CDs from your refusal to practice what you preach.
> >
> > Don't blame other people's cds
> > on me.
>
> I'm only blaming you for the ones attributable to your own choices.

Oh yeah, my choice to eat food
rather than not eat at all.

> > If you want to blame me
> > for bugs and some worms in
> > my farming methods, fine, but
> > keep the other cds directed at
> > their originators.
>
> You're an "originator" of CDs.

Nope. Nothing except some
insects and worms.

> >>>>>>Killing them half-by-half should also be wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Sometimes both halves.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I believe killing animals is wrong.
> >>>>>>-- Skanky
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>As far
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>as I can see it, there is no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>way to avoid earthworm cds.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>So much for "veganic" gardening, huh. Twit.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I'll settle for as veganic as possible
> >>>>>>>>>>>and reasonable.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Which would NOT be "veganic."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>For instance, I
> >>>>>>>>>>>have no qualms about killing
> >>>>>>>>>>>aphids. They are a pest. However
> >>>>>>>>>>>earthworms are not a pest and
> >>>>>>>>>>>therefore a bit more wrong on
> >>>>>>>>>>>the wrongness scale. This is
> >>>>>>>>>>>balanced out by how unavoidable
> >>>>>>>>>>>the earthworm deaths are, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>how a well nourished soil
> >>>>>>>>>>>supports hopefully more than
> >>>>>>>>>>>it kills.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Hehe! I just LOVE watching you SQUIRM between your stated
> >
> > principle
> >
> >>>>>>>>>>("killing animals is wrong") and reality, Skanky.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>The reality is that it's MOSTLY wrong.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>That's not reality, crackpot.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>No squirming needed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You're squirming between your BS principle and your daily
practice.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>No
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Yes. You're squirming like the still-living worm half.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You're setting up strawmen
> >>>>
> >>>>I've not made any strawman, Skanky. I've addressed your points and
> >>>>subsequent spin head-on.
> >>>
> >>>You keep setting up a killer
> >>>accusation without the mostly
> >>>added in.
> >>
> >>That doesn't ****ing matter, Skanky. Is a spree or serial killer
> >>"better" or "ethical" for killing fewer people than he desired to kill?
> >
> > Yes, the fewer the better. Just
> > like cds, almost.
>
> You're pretty ****ed up if you think someone is "better" or "more
> ethical" for killing 40 people instead of 50.
>
> > The spree
> > killing is avoidable altogether,
> > but the cds aren't.
>
> Then why would you prate that "veganic" foods will be on supermarket
> shelves one day? You idiot!

Hopefully new and better
healthy farming methods will
come about.

> >>>That changes its
> >>>context completely.
> >>
> >>No, idiot, the context is the *same*. You're only spinning to dismiss or
> >>deflect from your guilt.
> >
> > I'm not guilty of other people's cds.
>
> You're guilty of them from your food choices. Stop passing the buck.

I pass it to where it should stop.


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