Scented Nectar wrote:
> "usual suspect" > wrote in message
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>
>>Scented Nectar wrote:
>>
>>>"Dutch" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>>"Scented Nectar" > calls herself
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Killer of some bugs and a few
>>>>>worms.
>>>>
>>>>You are refusing to recognize the deaths of the many invertebrates,
>
> birds
>
>>>>and mammals that your comfortable lifestyle is built upon. Your weak
>>>>attempts to dismiss them by using words like "mostly wrong" are pathetic
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>
>>>>immoral in the extreme. You insist on creating this glorified image of
>>>>yourself, but refuse to acknowledge either the animals that die to serve
>>>>your daily wants and needs, or those people who do better than you but
>
> who
>
>>>>don't follow your rules. You are a perfect example of the closed-minded
>>>>bigotry that "veganism" creates.
>>>
>>>
>>>Immoral in the extreme?
>>
>>Yes.
>
> Do you personally find the
> cds to be immoral?

I don't think "killing animals is wrong." You do. Your consumption
doesn't do anything to diminish animal deaths.

>>>Glorified image?
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>
>>>No more than any other person of
>>>good self esteem.
>>
>>The difference is most people acquire their esteem from successful
>>endeavors. You build yours through what you eat/won't eat, and through
>>your chronic buck-passing.
>
> There is nothing wrong with
> feeling good about what I eat.

To call yourself "successful" as you have on the basis of what you eat
IS wrong.

> You do it yourself, don't you?

No.

> You seem to consider yourself
> a flexitarian, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't call myself anything with regard to what I eat anymore, nor do I
engage in sanctimony about what I eat.

>>>I fully realize
>>>that cds happen,
>>
>>You do nothing to minimize them in your own consumption.
>
> My change from a meat
> eater to veg was enough
> of a change to drastically
> reduce them.

Not drastically at all. At best, insignificantly; at worst, you're
actually causing more CDs than before because of all the imported and
transported foods, reliance on "lethal" crops like grains and legumes,
machine-harvesting, pesticides, etc.

> I don't expect extremes from
> myself, so I'm happy
> enough from that.

More weak spin. You don't expect yourself to do anything differently
even after stating "killing animals is wrong."

>>>but I also see
>>>that animal products as a whole
>>>cause much more.
>>
>>Tu quoque fallacy.
>
> It's no fallacy.

Look it up, dumb ass. Your argument rests on a tu quoque fallacy.
http://www.cuyamaca.net/bruce.thomps...s/tuquoque.asp

>>>If you want
>>>to discuss the fringe meat Rick
>>>eats, let's compare it to vegan
>>>food someone has grown with
>>>no cds.
>>
>>You would still be objecting only to +1 (1001st) death.
>
> No.

Yes.

> It would be 1 death to 0 deaths.

Wrong. Garden and you *will* kill something.