"usual suspect" > wrote in message
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> Spastic Ditz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>><..>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Hi S. Sorry, but have to correct you, below..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>. As far as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>earthworms go, it's fine to chop
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>them in half with your shovel.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>"To whom do lions cast their gentle looks?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Not to the beast that would usurp their den…
> >>>>>>>>>>>>The smallest worm will turn being trodden on,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>And doves will peck in safeguard of their brood."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Shakespeare Henry VI, Part 3,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I've done enough gardening
> >>>>>>>>>>>in good soil to know that it can't
> >>>>>>>>>>>be avoided.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>IOW, you didn't give a shit about certain kinds of animals
(worms)
> >>>>>>>>>>because they're an inconvenience to you. So much for your
> >
> > principle
> >
> >>>>>that
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>"killing animals is wrong."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I've never denied killing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You're as ruthless as a farmer with a combine.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>><...>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I don't deny killing
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You do when discussing your own consumption.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I never denied killing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You have repeatedly. You claim you're not culpable for deaths
> >
> > attributed
> >
> >>>>>>to your consumption, but here you admit you've ACTIVELY killed
animals
> >>>>>>yourself. Your principles are bullshit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I never denied killing
> >>>>
> >>>>You've written that "killing animals is wrong" and now you're
splitting
> >>>>hair after hair to justify yourself and your own murderous "wrong"
> >>>>rampages. I love all your squirming, Skanky.
> >>>
> >>>No squirming,
> >>
> >>You're squirming like one of the worms you cut in half before it died.
> >>Writhing in pain.
> >
> > I'm sitting calmly. No pain.
>
> I offered a simile to describe the spin you keep putting on your moral
> confusion. Your incessant wavering through qualifications (e.g.,
> "mostly") and through your admission that you've personally killed small
> animals shows how unrealistic you find your own principles.

What small animals? If you
are now counting bugs and
worms as cds, please clarify
this.

> >>>>>>>>>although I did previously
> >>>>>>>>>think that BOTH halves
> >>>>>>>>>regenerate.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You also previously "thought" that no animals died during the
> >>>
> >>>production
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>of your food.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Now that you've brought up cds,
> >>>>>>>only good can come of it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Maybe Derek will straighten you out on your contradictory positions
> >
> > that
> >
> >>>>>>"killing animals is wrong" and this new suggestion that good can
arise
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>from it. Then again, consistency isn't his strongest suit.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Get it right,
> >>>>
> >>>>I did.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>For a market demand to take place,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You dingbat. Demand already takes place. Demand *changes*.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>the market has to know what
> >>>>>>>they want.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Meat.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Now, through these
> >>>>>>>newsgroups, a lot of people
> >>>>>>>will start demanding cd-free
> >>>>>>>foods.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>A very marginal niche. Even among vegetarians -- less than 2% of the
> >>>>>>population -- there is little or no demand for cd-free foods.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Maybe there will be.
> >>>>
> >>>>Never.
> >>>
> >>>Stop snipping the part you're
> >>>replying to.
> >>
> >>There will NEVER be significant demand for "veganic" produce, you twit.
> >
> > Who knows what the future might
> > bring?
>
> In this case, I can make a very safe assumption that there will never be
> any significant demand for "veganic" produce. "Serious vegetarians" are
> a stagnant demographic -- below two-percent of the population. That
> leaves the other 98%-plus who eat at least some meat and who have no
> concern about dead animals or micrograms of animal parts in their food.
> They'd be pretty hard-pressed to pay the premium prices for subsistence
> farming practices "veganic" foods would command (labor costs associated
> with "veganic" agriculture would rise astronomically).
>
> You're a self-marginalized twit in a marginal niche category. And you're
> so ****ing clueless you don't even realize it.

Both you and Rude have
a fear of marginalization.
You use it as a frequent
insult. Do you have that
much fear over nonconformity?
I don't. Some of the choices
I make in life are mainstream
but some aren't.

> >>>>>>>>>>>There will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>earthworm cuttings. How can
> >>>>>>>>>>>it be avoided?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>By carefully using a small spoon instead of roto-tilling them to
> >>>>>>>>>>smithereens, you heartless old cow.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>A spoon wouldn't work either,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Better than your maniacal roto-tilling.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I have
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You've killed animals, Skanky.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I don't count bugs and worms.
> >>>>
> >>>>I believe killing is wrong.
> >>>>-- Skanky
> >>>
> >>>Mostly,
> >>
> >>You can spin it all you want with such qualifications, but it doesn't
> >>change the underlying meaning of your original position that killing
> >>animals is wrong.
> >
> > Mostly.
>
> Irrelevant spin.
>
> > I think the bugs are a
> > good example. I'm willing to
> > kill
>
> I know. Your consumption proves it. You have a variety of alternatives
> available to you, yet you make excuses because you value convenience and
> your personal tastes to the "values" which you give petty lip-service.

Alternatives to killing a few
bugs in the growing of my
foods? Do share.

> >>>>>>>Shovel and hand breaking/mixing is
> >>>>>>>my prefered method.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>It won't be if you have FIVE ACRES, dumb ass.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>That would still cut up an
> >>>>>>>>>earthworm here and there.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Not if you're more careful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>Any method of
> >>>>>>>>>>>breaking up the soil, that I know
> >>>>>>>>>>>of, is going to have it happen.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Careless worm killer.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Oooooo.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>So much for your principles that killing animals is wrong.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Did you forget the mostly part
> >>>>>>>again?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>No, that part doesn't matter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Yeah it does.
> >>>>
> >>>>No, it doesn't in either your principle or your practice.
> >>>
> >>>It makes a huge difference.
> >>
> >>It makes NO difference, Skanky.
> >
> > It obviously does to me,
>
> It shouldn't matter one bit whether you claim it's "wrong" or "mostly
> wrong." You reach the same logical conclusion from either position
> (because it's still the same position). We're right back at Mr Canoza's
> example of how often you would molest a child: just because you cut back
> on the number of times doesn't make you a better person or make your
> position more respectable. It's still wrong, period.

Oh no, don't tell me he's got
you thinking about his fave
fantasy now too! Rather than
use such examples, say what
you mean. Are you talking
about bugs here, or cds as
a whole? If cds as a whole,
are you including bugs?

> > and
> > since it's my principles we are
> > discussing, my say on it stands.
>
> Your principles are bullshit and you know it. You don't walk the walk,
> you don't practice what you preach.

It doesn't matter what you think.
It's me who decides what my
morals and principles are. I'm
happy with what I do and don't
do.

> <...>
> >>>All manure must be
> >>>composted before it's addition.
> >>
> >>Not commercial amendments. They say it's fully composted, but they don't
> >>always achieve their goal.
> >
> > On 5 acres,
>
> Pipedream. You'll never have one acre, Skanky.

Why not? When I retire, I can
pretty much live anywhere I
like, within reason. The prices
are good where I'm considering.

> >>>>>>>>>>>Also, in
> >>>>>>>>>>>turning the compost bins,
> >>>>>>>>>>>if there are worms there,
> >>>>>>>>>>>they could get hurt.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Don't abuse the worms, killer.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Too late.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I know. Killer.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I don't deny that some worms
> >>>>>>>will be causualties. I never did.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You denied it -- and excused it -- up until you learned that cutting
> >>>>>>worms kills them instead of causes them to reproduce.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Actually it kills one half of them.
> >>>>
> >>>>I believe killing animals is wrong.
> >>>>-- Skanky
> >>>
> >>>Mostly,
> >>
> >>Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, killer.
> >
> > Killer of some bugs and a few
> > worms.
>
> Direct culpability for those and directly for many other animals in the
> form of CDs from your refusal to practice what you preach.

Don't blame other people's cds
on me. If you want to blame me
for bugs and some worms in
my farming methods, fine, but
keep the other cds directed at
their originators.

> >>>>Killing them half-by-half should also be wrong.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Sometimes both halves.
> >>>>
> >>>>I believe killing animals is wrong.
> >>>>-- Skanky
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>As far
> >>>>>>>>>>>as I can see it, there is no
> >>>>>>>>>>>way to avoid earthworm cds.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>So much for "veganic" gardening, huh. Twit.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I'll settle for as veganic as possible
> >>>>>>>>>and reasonable.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Which would NOT be "veganic."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>For instance, I
> >>>>>>>>>have no qualms about killing
> >>>>>>>>>aphids. They are a pest. However
> >>>>>>>>>earthworms are not a pest and
> >>>>>>>>>therefore a bit more wrong on
> >>>>>>>>>the wrongness scale. This is
> >>>>>>>>>balanced out by how unavoidable
> >>>>>>>>>the earthworm deaths are, and
> >>>>>>>>>how a well nourished soil
> >>>>>>>>>supports hopefully more than
> >>>>>>>>>it kills.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Hehe! I just LOVE watching you SQUIRM between your stated
principle
> >>>>>>>>("killing animals is wrong") and reality, Skanky.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>The reality is that it's MOSTLY wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>That's not reality, crackpot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>No squirming needed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You're squirming between your BS principle and your daily practice.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>No
> >>>>
> >>>>Yes. You're squirming like the still-living worm half.
> >>>
> >>>You're setting up strawmen
> >>
> >>I've not made any strawman, Skanky. I've addressed your points and
> >>subsequent spin head-on.
> >
> > You keep setting up a killer
> > accusation without the mostly
> > added in.
>
> That doesn't ****ing matter, Skanky. Is a spree or serial killer
> "better" or "ethical" for killing fewer people than he desired to kill?

Yes, the fewer the better. Just
like cds, almost. The spree
killing is avoidable altogether,
but the cds aren't.

> > That changes its
> > context completely.
>
> No, idiot, the context is the *same*. You're only spinning to dismiss or
> deflect from your guilt.

I'm not guilty of other people's
cds.


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