Spazzy Ditz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>><..>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hi S. Sorry, but have to correct you, below..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>. As far as
>>>>>>>>>>>earthworms go, it's fine to chop
>>>>>>>>>>>them in half with your shovel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"To whom do lions cast their gentle looks?
>>>>>>>>>>Not to the beast that would usurp their den…
>>>>>>>>>>The smallest worm will turn being trodden on,
>>>>>>>>>>And doves will peck in safeguard of their brood."
>>>>>>>>>>Shakespeare Henry VI, Part 3,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I've done enough gardening
>>>>>>>>>in good soil to know that it can't
>>>>>>>>>be avoided.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>IOW, you didn't give a shit about certain kinds of animals (worms)
>>>>>>>>because they're an inconvenience to you. So much for your principle
>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>"killing animals is wrong."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've never denied killing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're as ruthless as a farmer with a combine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>><...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't deny killing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You do when discussing your own consumption.
>>>>>
>>>>>I never denied killing
>>>>
>>>>You have repeatedly. You claim you're not culpable for deaths attributed
>>>>to your consumption, but here you admit you've ACTIVELY killed animals
>>>>yourself. Your principles are bullshit.
>>>
>>>I never denied killing
>>
>>You've written that "killing animals is wrong" and now you're splitting
>>hair after hair to justify yourself and your own murderous "wrong"
>>rampages. I love all your squirming, Skanky.
>
> No squirming,

You're squirming like one of the worms you cut in half before it died.
Writhing in pain.

>>>>>>>although I did previously
>>>>>>>think that BOTH halves
>>>>>>>regenerate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You also previously "thought" that no animals died during the
>
> production
>
>>>>>>of your food.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now that you've brought up cds,
>>>>>only good can come of it.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe Derek will straighten you out on your contradictory positions that
>>>>"killing animals is wrong" and this new suggestion that good can arise
>>>
>>>>from it. Then again, consistency isn't his strongest suit.
>>>
>>>Get it right,
>>
>>I did.
>>
>>
>>>>>For a market demand to take place,
>>>>
>>>>You dingbat. Demand already takes place. Demand *changes*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the market has to know what
>>>>>they want.
>>>>
>>>>Meat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Now, through these
>>>>>newsgroups, a lot of people
>>>>>will start demanding cd-free
>>>>>foods.
>>>>
>>>>A very marginal niche. Even among vegetarians -- less than 2% of the
>>>>population -- there is little or no demand for cd-free foods.
>>>
>>>Maybe there will be.
>>
>>Never.
>
> Stop snipping the part you're
> replying to.

There will NEVER be significant demand for "veganic" produce, you twit.

>>>>>>>>>There will be
>>>>>>>>>earthworm cuttings. How can
>>>>>>>>>it be avoided?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>By carefully using a small spoon instead of roto-tilling them to
>>>>>>>>smithereens, you heartless old cow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A spoon wouldn't work either,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Better than your maniacal roto-tilling.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have
>>>>
>>>>You've killed animals, Skanky.
>>>
>>>I don't count bugs and worms.
>>
>>I believe killing is wrong.
>>-- Skanky
>
> Mostly,

You can spin it all you want with such qualifications, but it doesn't
change the underlying meaning of your original position that killing
animals is wrong.

>>>>>Shovel and hand breaking/mixing is
>>>>>my prefered method.
>>>>
>>>>It won't be if you have FIVE ACRES, dumb ass.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>That would still cut up an
>>>>>>>earthworm here and there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not if you're more careful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Any method of
>>>>>>>>>breaking up the soil, that I know
>>>>>>>>>of, is going to have it happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Careless worm killer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oooooo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So much for your principles that killing animals is wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did you forget the mostly part
>>>>>again?
>>>>
>>>>No, that part doesn't matter.
>>>
>>>Yeah it does.
>>
>>No, it doesn't in either your principle or your practice.
>
> It makes a huge difference.

It makes NO difference, Skanky.

>>>>>>>>>>>First of all, in good soil it can't
>>>>>>>>>>>be avoided, and secondly, each
>>>>>>>>>>>half of the worm will regrow it's
>>>>>>>>>>>missing part resulting in 2
>>>>>>>>>>>worms instead of one. That's
>>>>>>>>>>>good for the soil.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>'What happens if you cut a worm in half?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Almost everyone wants to know the answer to this question.
>>>>>>>>>>Some species of worms can regenerate, or re-grow, a new tail,
>>>>>>>>>>if their tail is cut off. However, a worm cut too closely to its
>>>>>>>>>>head will have difficulty growing a new tail. Most worms will
>>>>>>>>>>not regenerate a head.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Generally, we tell students that if you cut a worm in half, you
>>>>>>>>>>will most likely end up with two dead pieces of worms.
>>>>>>>>>>However, if you are lucky, the piece with the head may grow
>>>>>>>>>>a new tail, so you will have one alive worm and one piece of
>>>>>>>>>>dead worm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Some worms have a natural reflex, in which they will eject
>>>>>>>>>>their tail when the tail is pulled. For example, when a bird
>>>>>>>>>>catches the tail end of a worm, the worm would eject or
>>>>>>>>>>sever its' tail from the rest of its' body. Thus, the worm
>>>>>>>>>>remains alive and safe, while the bird gets only part of the
>>>>>>>>>>worm.
>>>>>>>>>>..
>>>>>>>>>>http://compost.css.cornell.edu/worms/faq.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, that clears that up, but
>>>>>>>>>leaves the question of how
>>>>>>>>>best to avoid them when
>>>>>>>>>shovelling and breaking up
>>>>>>>>>the soil to ready it for mixing
>>>>>>>>>in the manure etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Use a small spoon. Or your fingers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Breaking up the soil with
>>>>>>>your hands is the stage after
>>>>>>>shoveling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And shoveling is the stage where you kill and destroy habitat.
>>>>>
>>>>>Some bugs will be cds, if you
>>>>>want to include bugs and worms.
>>>>>I don't.
>>>>
>>>>So much for your lip-service that "killing animals is wrong." You meant
>>>>to say "eating animals is wrong" instead.
>>>
>>>Did you ever hear me
>>
>>You made a blanket statement about killing animals, and you said you
>>believe it's wrong. Now you're waffling and squirming all over the
>>place. It's pretty amusing, but it shows what a poseur you really are.
>
> I have never included bugs and
> worms in that.

I believe killing animals is wrong.
-- Skanky

> But how will we ever know?

Because you wrote, "I believe killing animals is wrong."

> You snipped my
> side of the conversation again.

You were only spinning and squirming anyway.

>>>>>>>It's also the stage
>>>>>>>where I add things into the
>>>>>>>soil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of which burn small animals.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not the additives I use.
>>>>
>>>>Sure. You also once said "killing animals is wrong" and now you think
>>>>it's cool to cut worms in half and burn moles.
>>>
>>>What soil additive does that?
>>>None of the ones I use.
>>
>>I'm willing to bet you use products which include a bit of raw manure
>>which would burn small animals.
>
> Nope.

Yep.

> All manure must be
> composted before it's addition.

Not commercial amendments. They say it's fully composted, but they don't
always achieve their goal.

>>>>>>>>>Also, in
>>>>>>>>>turning the compost bins,
>>>>>>>>>if there are worms there,
>>>>>>>>>they could get hurt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Don't abuse the worms, killer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Too late.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know. Killer.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't deny that some worms
>>>>>will be causualties. I never did.
>>>>
>>>>You denied it -- and excused it -- up until you learned that cutting
>>>>worms kills them instead of causes them to reproduce.
>>>
>>>Actually it kills one half of them.
>>
>>I believe killing animals is wrong.
>>-- Skanky
>
> Mostly,

Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, killer.

>>Killing them half-by-half should also be wrong.
>>
>>
>>>Sometimes both halves.
>>
>>I believe killing animals is wrong.
>>-- Skanky
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>As far
>>>>>>>>>as I can see it, there is no
>>>>>>>>>way to avoid earthworm cds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So much for "veganic" gardening, huh. Twit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'll settle for as veganic as possible
>>>>>>>and reasonable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which would NOT be "veganic."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For instance, I
>>>>>>>have no qualms about killing
>>>>>>>aphids. They are a pest. However
>>>>>>>earthworms are not a pest and
>>>>>>>therefore a bit more wrong on
>>>>>>>the wrongness scale. This is
>>>>>>>balanced out by how unavoidable
>>>>>>>the earthworm deaths are, and
>>>>>>>how a well nourished soil
>>>>>>>supports hopefully more than
>>>>>>>it kills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hehe! I just LOVE watching you SQUIRM between your stated principle
>>>>>>("killing animals is wrong") and reality, Skanky.
>>>>>
>>>>>The reality is that it's MOSTLY wrong.
>>>>
>>>>That's not reality, crackpot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>No squirming needed.
>>>>
>>>>You're squirming between your BS principle and your daily practice.
>>>
>>>No
>>
>>Yes. You're squirming like the still-living worm half.
>
> You're setting up strawmen

I've not made any strawman, Skanky. I've addressed your points and
subsequent spin head-on.