Ron wrote:

> In article >, "Dutch" >
> wrote:
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>>"Ron" > wrote in message
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>>>In article >, "Dutch" >
>>>wrote:
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>>>>"Ron" > wrote in message
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>>>>>In article >, "Dutch" >
>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>"Derek" > wrote
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>>>>>>>Ipse dixit and false. Show where Matheny's article links
>>>>>>>vegetarianism to the collateral deaths associated in crop
>>>>>>>production,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If consuming meat links the consumer to the deaths in meat production,
>>>>>>and I
>>>>>>agree it does, then consuming rice links the consumer to the deaths in
>>>>>>rice
>>>>>>production.
>>>>>
>>>>>Links, or creating causal relationships is also known as the logical
>>>>>fallacy of insignificant cause.
>>>>
>>>>This is not an example of insignificant cause.
>>>>
>>>>The following example is quite parallel to the case of the rice consumer.
>>>>
>>>>"Thus, it is not a fallacy to say that you helped defeat the Tory
>>>>government
>>>>because you voted Reform, for your vote had as much weight as any other
>>>>vote, and hence is equally a part of the cause."
>>>>See the following link..
>>>>http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/insig.php
>>>
>>>What a powerful feeling that must be. An eating disordered person is
>>>likely to overestimate their impact in the world and to create
>>>situations where this would be viewed this way.
>>>
>>>The example is a case of insignificant cause. Is the cause of the defeat
>>>of the tory because the person voted reform, or because many voted
>>>reform, liberal and chose not to vote at all. Placing one's self at the
>>>centre of the universe is a frequent occurence for those who need to
>>>feel special, important, powerful, in control, etc.
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>>Your ranting is becoming increasing incoherent. One does not have to be at
>>the centre of the universe to be responsible. If you voted Tory and they got
>>in, you were responsible, as responsible as everyone else who voted Tory.
>>The alternative is NOBODY was responsible, and that makes no sense.
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>
> More either/or thinking.

It's appropriate here. Your irrational dislike for
dilemmas, without really understanding what they are,
leads you into serious error.

>
> If the tories win it happens for a variety of reasons.
> More people voted tory than other options.

That is the ONLY reason.

> Other people didn't vote for other any of the choices.
>
> But let's leave it that you are the centre of the universe.

No, we won't. That's your stupid, snide, juvenilely
sarcastic outburst, intended to PREVENT adult
engagement. It's also a deliberately dishonest view of
how he sees himself: you know he doesn't see himself
as the center of the universe.

> Everything
> that happens can be connected back to you.
>
>
>>You can have your own personal reality if you want, knock yourself out.
>>
>>Likewise, the man who eats a burger is responsible for the death of the
>>steer.
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> From the perspective of the eating disordered.

No, from the perspective of thoughtful philosophy.

>
> The rest of us see things differently.

No, most see it as we see it.

> The rest of us see the death of
> the steer as the farmer's desire and interests in killing the animal to
> support himself, support his family, to finance what he wants in his
> daily life and so on.

You are wrong. Your wrongness is fueled by the same
immaturity as Skunky's. You are a case of arrested
development.