On 4 Feb 2005 13:27:15 -0800, Gonad lied:

>By your acceptance of the "vegan" premise that it is
>wrong to kill animals, YOU are revealed as the closet "ara".
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From: Jonathan Ball >
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n
Subject: "getting to experience life" = the (il)logic of the larder
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 16:19:18 GMT

the deliberate killing of animals for use by
humans DOES deserve moral consideration, and gets it.
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From: Dieter >
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n,alt.philosophy
Subject: Why existence -- life per se -- *cannot* be a "benefit"
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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 19:33:12 GMT

ONLY deliberate human killing deserves any
moral consideration.
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From: Dieter >
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n,alt.philosophy
Subject: JethroFW in full melt-down
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 18:48:21 GMT

humans deliberately killing animals for food is an immoral
thing to do.
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From: Jonathan Ball >
Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n
Subject: "getting to experience life" = the (il)logic of the larder
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Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:58:14 GMT

We're ONLY talking about deliberate human killing
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From: Jonathan Ball >
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Newsgroups: talk.politics.animals,alt.animals.ethics.vegetaria n
Subject: Karen Winter's abandonment of her son, and why it matters
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:15:39 GMT

killing the animals needlessly and merely for human convenience
is the worst violation of their rights.
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From: "Rudy Canoza" >
Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,alt.food.vegan
Subject: Skunky ****es all over the trolls
Date: 28 Jan 2005 15:01:28 -0800
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Fact: IF it is wrong to kill animals deliberately for food, then
having deliberately caused them to live in the first place does not
mitigate the wrong in any way.
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From: Rudy Canoza >
Newsgroups: alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian,talk.politics.animal s,alt.food.vegan
Subject: Skunky ****es all over the trolls
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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 19:02:08 GMT

"giving them life" does NOT mitigate the wrongness of
their deaths
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>The End.