little HIV+ felcher Ron wrote:
> In article >, "Dutch"
>
> wrote:
>
> > "Ron" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, "Dutch"
>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Ron" > wrote
> > >>
> > >> > Ray presented a logical fallacy.
> > >>
> > >> He did not.
> > >>
> > >> Given the choice which do you prefer, rice pudding or chocolate
cake?
> > >
> > > I prefer neither.
> >
> > Fine, question answered.
> >
> > > You did create a false dilemma.
> >
> > Where is the dilemma?
> >
> > >> You can reply that you prefer one or the other, or that you like
or
> > >> dislike
> > >> them both equally. There's no dilemma, much less a false one, no
fallacy.
> > >
> > > I can also dislike them to varying degrees and prefer neither of
them.
> >
> > Again, no dilemma.
> >
> > >> If I had proposed "Either you like chocolate cake or you are an
idiot",
> > >> that
> > >> would present a false dilemma.
> > >
> > > I can't wait for your logical explanation of how one is a dilemma
and
> > > the other isn't.
> >
> > In "Given the choice which do you prefer, rice pudding or chocolate
cake?" I
> > am simply asking a question, I place no constraints on how you
answer, any
> > answer you wish to give is equally valid. In other words I create
no dilemma
> > for you, I simply am seeking your opinion.
>
> The question contains the dilemma.

There is NO dilemma. A choice is not inherently a dilemma.

You are simply WRONG in your use of the word dilemma.

>
> Although, if Bush had asked rather than stated, "do you prefer to be
> against us, or do you prefer to be with the terrorists" you would
then
> view this as _not_ a dilemma.

Right - it isn't one.

>
> > In "Either you like chocolate cake or you are an idiot", I have
asserted a
> > conditional proposition, you either have to aquiese to one of it's
> > conditions or else declare it to be a false choice. I have not
given you the
> > option of expressing your opinion freely, you either comply or else
you must
> > declare my proposition invalid.
>
> You did just that. The question in and of itself limited my choices.

That is not what a dilemma is. A dilemma is not merely a limitation of
choice.