In article >,
Derek > wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:51:02 -0500, Ron > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Derek > wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:27:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
> >> >Scented Nectar wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Then forced complicity
> >> >
> >> >There is no such thing.
> >>
> >> Forced complicity exists, and if I were to threaten
> >> you and your family with death by starvation, you'd
> >> be forced to comply with the truth of this sentence.
> >
> >We disagree, Derek. The choice to comply is still a choice.
>
> Then, if I were to bend your arm up your back in
> a half Nelson, you would have the choice not to
> comply and stand with your arm up your back? A
> person can be forced to comply with brute force
> and coercion if applied firmly enough.

Logical fallacy of a false dilemma.

I have the choice of fighting back. I have the choice of avoiding the
situation. I have choice of enduring your actions, risking a broken arm
and seeing you prosecuted for assault. I have the option of matching
your force to free myself. I have the option of escalating my forcing to
counter act your force. I have the option of calling out for help. I
also have legal options and illegal options to counter your act of
aggression such carrying a knife, gun, pepper spray. I have the option
of disabling you by attacking your kneecap, striking your nose with an
upward thrust, gouging your eyes, or crushing your testicles.

> It is choice
> >that would certainly have a negative or unwanted consequence, but the
> >choice still remains. Unfortunately, our culture allows the individual
> >to get caught up in the "he made me do it" mentality. It is this
> >mentality that allows people to be manipulated. it is a remnant from
> >religion to inspire guilt and control.