Derek wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 15:05:00 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>
>>Derek wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 07:22:59 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:46:24 GMT, Rudy Canoza > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We are talking, and have ALWAYS been
>>>>>>>>>>talking, about an existential requirement for any
>>>>>>>>>>benefit to exist in anyone's mind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The only requirement for a benefit to exist is a benefactor.
>>>>>>>>>A beneficiary doesn't need to exist before a benefit does.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes. The beneficiary MUST exist, else no benefit is
>>>>>>>>realized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>False.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, true.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, false.
>>>>
>>>>No, true.
>>>
>>>I can set up a legal arrangement for future beneficiaries
>>>to benefit long after my death and long before they come
>>>into being. That benefit would exist
>>
>>No, not until they exist and realize it. It's just
>>stuff until they exist.
>
>
> It's a benefit waiting for them

It's not a benefit until and unless they exist.