"Ron" > wrote in message
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> In article >, "Dutch" >
> wrote:
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>> "Ron" > wrote in message
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>> > In article >, "Dutch" >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >, "Dutch"
>> >> > >
>> >> > wrote:
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>> >> >> No, you refuse to accept my argument that you are responsible for
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> consequences of your own actions.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's right and you wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In article >, "Dutch"
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > As an adult at the age of majority, a moral actor, you are assumed
>> >> > to
>> >> > have free will, therefore you can't blame anyone else for your
>> >> > decisions. For a person who claims to advocate personal
>> >> > responsibility
>> >> > you make odd arguments.
>> >> >
>> >> > **********************
>> >>
>> >> In your twisted mind that proves your point???
>> >>
>> >> YOU pay for meat.
>> >>
>> >> YOU are responsible for the consequences of that act.
>> >
>> > No, I'm not.
>>
>> You are irrevocably accountable for every conscious act you make. There
>> are
>> no exceptions when you dislike the outcomes.
>
> To repeat myself, yet again, I am responsible for actions not outcomes.

When you solicit the outcome you are responsible for it.

>> > As you write above, the responsibility lies with the moral agent who
>> > made the decision to act. Blame shifting doesn't cut it for me.
>>
>> Then stop shifting the blame for your choice to pay for meat.
>
> I haven't. I pay the grocer for meat. I made that clear many times. The
> farmer is the one is the moral actor who makes the decision to kill.

You solicited the killing.

>
>> > The person who made the decision to kill the animal is the farmer.
>> > Blaming me is for what they do is just pitiful.
>>
>> I'm blaming you for hiring someone to hire a killer, because you did it.
>
> Perhaps if I believe this nonsensical theory of shared responsibility
> that might work.

You do believe it, you're playing a game.

>> >> And so it goes.. there's no way out of it.
>
> Well, Dutch. What I can say is if that is what you believe, then you
> ought to be punished for your "moral" wrongdoing. I just have no idea of
> what you have in mind as the appropriate punishment for someone who does
> this immoral act.

What immoral act?