On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 06:53:43 -0500, "Tim" > wrote:
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>the Gonad wrote in message
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>> wrote:
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>>> On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 05:57:51 GMT, "misanthrope"
>>> > wrote:
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> wrote in message
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>>>>>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 19:00:18 GMT, "misanthrope"
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> wrote:
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>>>>> Yes, if it ever was, it's too bad that it isn't any more. I've
>>>>> posted
>>>>>to it more than once and don't recall anything useful or interesting
>>>>>coming from it, so I can't be blamed for its downfall.
>>>>
>>>>then just maybe it's the wrong group for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>it not only deters new members but also drives
>>>>>>away old ones, and can in the long run kill the group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, if instead of discussing the topic you simply complain about
>>>>>it being brought up, that *could* have a negative influence as well,
>>>>>imo.
>>>>
>>>>that would be valid point in the case of valid topics, but it's not valid
>>>>for posts that contain nothing more than back-biting garbage.
>>>
>>>
>>> Some farm animals benefit from farming and some do not.
>>
>> NO farmed animals benefit from farming. Existing per se is not a benefit.
>
>On a farm Cows are afforded protection from predators and easy access to a
>well balanced diet. Compare to a wild herd in say Africa - Lions and all
>sorts of predators to get you - competition for food - poor supply of water.
>Sounds like a farm animal benefits to me.
"ARAs" can't afford to consider such things, and as we can see they are
very much opposed to other people considering such things as well. Doesn't
it seem strange that the people who say they care about animals, don't care
about animals who benefit from farming? On the surface it could seem strange,
but when we consider that their objective is to eliminate farm animals it makes
a lot more sense. Since they want to eliminate farm animals completely, the
last thing they would want is for people to recognise that some farm animals
benefit from farming. If that became popular, some people who are considering
veg*nism might decide to contribute to decent lives for farm animals instead.
They know that if people felt good about contributing to decent lives for farm
animals, it could hinder their hopes of making the elimination of farm animals
appear to be the most "ethical" approach humans could take. Especially if
it becomes more popular for people to consider that some types of meat involve
fewer animal deaths than some types of veggies...