Ron wrote:

> In article >, "Dutch" >
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>>"Ron" > wrote in message
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>>>>In your twisted mind that proves your point???
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>>>>YOU pay for meat.
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>>>>YOU are responsible for the consequences of that act.
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>>>No, I'm not.
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>>You are irrevocably accountable for every conscious act you make. There are
>>no exceptions when you dislike the outcomes.
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> To repeat myself, yet again, I am responsible for actions not outcomes.

You are responsible for both. Your responsibilty for
outcomes you don't immediately cause is derivative, but
it is plainly there. The mediation of others between
you and the final action doesn't exculpate you in the
least.

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>>>As you write above, the responsibility lies with the moral agent who
>>>made the decision to act. Blame shifting doesn't cut it for me.

No one is blame shifting.

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>>Then stop shifting the blame for your choice to pay for meat.
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> I haven't. I pay the grocer for meat. I made that clear many times. The
> farmer is the one is the moral actor who makes the decision to kill.

You are integral to the process. Without your demand,
the farmer doesn't kill the animals.

If there is any moral responsibility for the animals
deaths, you share in it.

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>>>The person who made the decision to kill the animal is the farmer.
>>>Blaming me is for what they do is just pitiful.
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>>I'm blaming you for hiring someone to hire a killer, because you did it.
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> Perhaps if I believe this nonsensical theory of shared responsibility

You do believe in it. That's why you wouldn't buy
things you might otherwise like if you know they're
produced by child slave labor.

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>>>>And so it goes.. there's no way out of it.
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> Well,

Right.