In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > In article t>,
> >> > Rudy Canoza > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Ron wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article >, "Dutch"
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>"Ron" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>In article >, "Dutch"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>>wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>That can be refuted by observing animal behaviour, and the massive
> >> >> >>>>release
> >> >> >>>>of fight-or-flight chemicals when an animal is threatened.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>Yup. It's called fear and anxiety. Fear and anxiety can be
> >> >> >>>experienced
> >> >> >>>in perceived threats as well as real ones. Check the stock market
> >> >> >>>at
> >> >> >>>how
> >> >> >>>well the pharmaceutical companies are doing on the remedies to
> >> >> >>>these
> >> >> >>>emotions.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Do you have a salient point here? Perhaps there is no such thing as
> >> >> >>a
> >> >> >>real
> >> >> >>threat?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I made the point.
> >> >>
> >> >> It was horseshit.
> >> >>
> >> >> > "feeling" threatened (being afraid and anxious) is
> >> >> > different than actually being threatened.
> >> >>
> >> >> Irrelevant. We're only talking about actual
> >> >> situations, not merely one's feelings about them. If
> >> >> the watch is stolen and you believe it to be stolen, or
> >> >> have good reason to think it may be, then you are
> >> >> complicit in crime by buying it.
> >> >
> >> > Been there, done that.
> >>
> >> You buy stolen property?
> >>
> >> > If I lie to you and tell you the watch stolen then, it is JUST a
> >> > feeling.
> >>
> >> If the watch is not stolen then there is nothing wrong to be complicit
> >> in.
> >> The feeling of apprehension that was caused by your ruse does not mean
> >> anything, morally, except it was a shitty juvenile trick.
> >
> > A prank that nonetheless demonstrate that the feelings of "guilt" or
> > "wrongdoing" are only just feelings.
>
> "Feelings" are not the issue, the issue is actual complicity in an immoral
> act.
>
> > If I did that play that trick, I
> > could allow you to feel guilt endlessly. And the "truth" of the matter
> > is that it wouldn't be stolen. The feelings would be experienced as
> > "real", but the guilt would be false. I could allow you to feel like a
> > bad person. I could even allow you to think that you might have a
> > problem with the authorities and allow your apprehension to increase 10
> > fold. Of course, the authorities don't get involved in non-stolen
> > watches that I might sell to you.
> >
> > IOW, the emotion of wrongdoing is a theoretical construction of the mind
> > that is created based on morality which is another theoretical
> > construction of the mind.
>
> In your example you created a false impression in that person's mind, that's
> all. It has nothing to do with a real immoral act, apart from your lying.
> All your demonstration shows is that people can be fooled into believing
> something false.

Believing something false....like moral codes and theories of complicity.