"Ron" > wrote in message
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> In article . net>,
> "rick etter" > wrote:
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>> "Ron" > wrote in message
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>> > In article et>,
>> > "rick etter" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
>> >> >> food
>> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
>> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
>> >> >
>> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
>> >> =================
>> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back
>> >> it
>> >> up.
>> >
>> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
>> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
>> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
>> > usual?
>> ================================
>> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading for
>> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
>> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the
>> loons
>> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about
>> those
>> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those are
>> vegan foods, are they?
>
> Same group. Who does produce food for vegans.
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Not the same ones that rasie meat, fool.


Who are the rice growers
> of the world? Meat eater, or vegan?
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Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of rice growers world-wide are
not vegan.

Who are the people who use the
> products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
> (oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals.
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Have you checked? Prove that a fair number of organic growers are not
vegan.


Who is
> that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
> the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers.
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Exactly. But that doesn't mean that all of them are meat-eaters, now does
it, fool?


Some of us tolerate
> their violence in the world.
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And are culpable for it. Thanks for pointing that out, pansy-boy....



>
>> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
>> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
>> > part.
>> =======================
>> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already proven
>> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim to
>> be
>> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming
>> will
>> still cause animals to die.
>
> AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
> vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
> dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.
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ROTFLMAO What a hoot!! It was you that generalized all growers, you
ignorant fool! Man, what a maroon... Besides, if you could read for
comprhension, you'd see that this discussion was about 'vegan' food! Not
meats. Of course, we know that your comprehension is sorely lacking.


>
>> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
>> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
>> ============================
>> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly
>> vegan
>> foods.
>
> Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.
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Not at the top of this thread were I responded fool. Your response was to
Usual, and the discussion was not about livestock. Need a refresher, fool?
try reading for comprehension.
quoted text....
Usual>>> > This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan"
food
> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> humane slaughter which they object.

You>>>>>>Killed, of course, by meat eaters. When the vegan buys the
ingredients
for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
products, continues to kill.
end quoted text....

You're an idiot, pansy-boy....

>
>> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
>> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any
>> info,
>> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
>> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they
>> still
>> kill them.
>>
>> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.
>
> You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
> familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
> 'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory than
> actually being hands on with killing.
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Tell us all about your bloody hands, mr freud...


>
> But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
> others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
> is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.
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ROTFLMAO You really are a hoot! Thanks for stateing exactly what I have
been saying. That vegans, and you now, continue to pass the buck for the
actions they(you) take, knowing full well that the choices they/you make
cause death and suffering to animals. It is vegans and you that are trying
to deny their responsibility. Thanks for proving your stupidity yet
again,pansy-boy...