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"rick etter" > wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote in message
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> > In article et>,
> > "rick etter" > wrote:
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> >> "Ron" > wrote in message
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> >> > In article >,
> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
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> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
> >> >
> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
> >> =================
> >> You have proof of this bit of delusional insight, fool? Try to back it
> >> up.
> >
> > What is the difficulty? People who raise and kill pigs eat pork
> > products. People who raise and kill cows eat beef products. People who
> > raise and kill seafood eat fish products. What is the difficulty here,
> > usual?
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> Don't know who you're talking to even anymore, eh fool? Try reading for
> comprehension, for a chnage. The comment was about those people that
> produce food for vegans. You remember them, don't you? They're the loons
> we've been talking about for weeks now. Now, you like to spew about those
> that produce beef, pork, and seafood. Seems to me that none of those are
> vegan foods, are they?

Same group. Who does produce food for vegans. Who are the rice growers
of the world? Meat eater, or vegan? Who are the people who use the
products and chemicals that you so kindly point out are responsible
(oops, there's that word) for the collateral death of animals. Who is
that is killing the rodents, amphibians and such -- the meat eater or
the vegan. Farmers and growers are the killers. Some of us tolerate
their violence in the world.

> Your request for proof suggests that the typical grower and
> > killer of animals would be vegan and that's just being silly on your
> > part.
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> Why fool? Are you really this clueless? Oh wait, you've already proven
> that, haven't you. Try checking out any number of growers that claim to be
> 'organic'. I'd bet more than a few would be vegan, yet their farming will
> still cause animals to die.

AH, a few might be vegan. Shall we do a comparison of farms operated by
vegans and meat eaters and killers. it's always easy and intellectually
dishonest to generalize to avoid reality.

> Occam's Razor: what is more likely that those raise and kill
> > animals are vegan or meat eater?
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> And again, we aren't talking here about meat, fool. Those are hardly vegan
> foods.

Do pay attention. Dutch specifically spoke to raising livestock.

> Besides, if you really understood the term, you'd realize that it is
> you that has made assumptions of farmers, without actually having any info,
> must less the minimun needed, fool. Have you questioned however many
> farmers there are? Remember, not all farmers raise animals, yet they still
> kill them.
>
> Keep up the good work in proving your ignorance, pansy-boy.

You must raise livestock. Your propensity for abuse and violence is
familiar to those of us reading. And if not, you might find some
'release' in those acts. I imagine eating meat is less satisfactory than
actually being hands on with killing.

But let's go another round of blaming the vegan for the actions of
others. It is consistent with our culture of passing the buck -- no one
is responsible for anything, everyone is responsible for everything.