In article >, "Dutch" >
wrote:

> "Ron" > wrote
> > In article >, "Dutch" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "Ron" > wrote
> >>
> >> > usual suspect > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> This ignores the fact that animals die in the course of "vegan" food
> >> >> production, too. Those deaths -- through poisoning, mutilation,
> >> >> drowning, predation, etc. -- are significantly more "cruel" than the
> >> >> humane slaughter which they object.
> >> >
> >> > Killed, of course, by meat eaters.
> >>
> >> Ipse dixit, in any case it's irrelevant, the vegan hires this person to
> >> do
> >> his dirty work for him and thus is equally culpable. If you go to the
> >> street
> >> and ask a common thief to steal you a stereo, you are complicit in that
> >> crime when it is committed.
> >
> > It's the lesser "evil".
>
> No it's not.
>
> > Animal killers are one step from being human
> > killers. Better them than me. It's unfortunate, but a reality of being
> > human. I often would like to ask someone who raises livestock (kills
> > animals en masse) how it feels when they kill one animal after another.
>
> How does it feel to supply the motive for them to do it? It would be about
> the same.

If people need to blame me for their actions, well, I'm a big boy and
can handle that. The reality is, of course, that anyone who kills and
relies on the "they made me do it argument" is just being juvenile and
passing responsibility for their own actions.

Until we can find a suitable treatment or cure for individuals who
delight in take the lives of other animals and would likely inflict that
aggression on humans, my CHOICE is to allow the behaviour to continue.
As a matter of survival if it is the difference between a cow dying or
some crazed person who delights in killing animals being lose in the
community to fill their lust for blood and death -- the cow looses.

> >> > When the vegan buys the ingredients
> >> > for the day's meal, the killing is usually done by the meat eater who
> >> > rather than finding 'ethical' means of growing or harvesting such
> >> > products, continues to kill.
> >>
> >> Farmers kill animals, regardless of their personal diets.
> >
> > Farmers are killers though. They are the one's I leave to kill animals.
> > I use their supplies so that they will confine their violence and
> > aggression to other animals. Any law that would prohibit the mass
> > killing of those animals would only leave those who are that
> > bloodthirsty to take it out on their spouses, children and the community.
>
> You mean without farmers to do your dirty work you'd have to eat your own
> family?

Not at all. If everyone were to suddenly stop eating meat then, those
who are also violent and aggressive to begin with, those who have done
nothing to ensure they could survive without this industry would be even
more desperate. What skills and value to the community does one have
when their only skill really is the ability to inflict pain, suffering
and death.

Who would those killers of animals take out their aggression on if they
didn't have the animals that they do have that they can slaughter with
impugnity now? Of course, a farmer who wanted to have fun, food and
profit from keeping a farm of dogs, slaughtering and selling them would
face a different outcome. The farmer will get theirs. It is more a
question that we find treatment and cures for the violent tendencies
that farmers (and often males) display.