"Scented Nectar" > wrote in message
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>> >> > Buying a farm is not an option for me,
>> >>
>> >> I know, you slacker.
>> >
>> > How does that make me a slacker?
>> ==================
>> It does prove the hypocrisy of the vegan position quite well though.
> Your
>> convenience comes first. Maybe you just like killing animals, eh?
>
> So, you're saying that convenience is stopping me from
> currently getting a farm? You don't make sense tricky
> ricky. Where's the hypocrasy or do you just see that
> everywhere due to your paranoia? What led you to
> suggest I like killing animals? Do you hear voices that
> tell you what to write/insult here?
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Nope. Just that you continue to come back here spewing your ignorance for
all the world to see, knowing that your participation is contributing to the
unnecessary death and suffering of animals. Thanks for more proof of your
hypocrisy, killer.

>
>> Just because
>> > I'm going to have to wait until retirement doesn't
>> > make me a slacker, just lucky or unlucky depending
>> > on how you look at it. Lucky for getting there
>> > someday, unlucky for it taking years. Slacking
>> > has nothing to do with it.
>> ==================
>> No, lazy hypocrisy says it all, killer.
>
> Says what? Explain yourself. Don't just insult
> without explaining. That makes it nonsense.
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You claimed being a slacker wasn't the reason for your doing *nothing* to
save animals right now. I agreed, it's your hypocrisy that stops you from
saving animals....


>
>> >> > You say "widely available
>> >> > products...those include certain kinds of meat" What
>> >> > non-meat products do you refer to that lower cds?
>> >>
>> >> Locally grown produce and grains. Grow your own -- check out some
> of
>> >> those community garden links I gave you a few weeks ago.
>> >
>> > How are locally grown plants lower in cds than plants from
>> > elsewhere?
>> ==================
>> Are you really that stupid, or do you work really really hard at it?
> Does
>> those imported fruits and veggies just drop out of the sky and land on
> your
>> plate like manna from heaven? You are so totally ignorant of the
> impact
>> your life has on animals and the environemnt the world over that it
> makes my
>> head spin. How can anybody be so willfully stupid?
>
> Well, if you think that the transportation industry is causing
> deaths speak up ricky.
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And you don't? Like I said, you're just too stupid to have done *any*
research into your impact on animals and the environment.


>
>> > And how does one tell them apart from others?
>> > The stores don't put the name of the farmers and
>> > locations for most foods.
>> ======================
>> Cluesless urbanite, as was said above. Have you even trid a farmers
>> market? I know for a fact that there are some in Toronto, killer.
> But no,
>> you haven't. You're too self-absorbed and selfish to actually go out
> of
>> your way to evn make a tiny effort to live up to your ignorant claims
> of
>> 'caring.'
>
> I have nothing against imported foods. Farmers markets are
> fine though limited. I like a mix of local and imported.
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Why? There is no necessaty to importing foods for your diet. Again, you do
it for your selfish reasons. Proving yet again that saving animals is not a
real concern to you.

>
>> >> > The intentional death is both more in-your-face
>> >>
>> >> In your face as opposed to burying your head about CDs?
>> >
>> > First of all, I don't believe there's as many deaths from
>> > slow moving farm machinery as you trolls would have
>> > me think.
>> ========================
>> Why not? HJave you seen some of them in action? The size? Of
> course not.
>> Besides fool, even those that do escape the machine are left without
> any
>> food and cover, so they die anyway, killer. They die because of your
>> veggies! Their numbers are at unnatural levels for an area because
> your
>> crops have provided an unnatural amount of easy food and cover. Many
>> animals can breed several times a season, and they offsping can breed
>> several times too. Right when the numbers are at a peak, you take
> away
>> all the easy food and cover, leaving them to die of starvation and
>> predation. They also cannot just all scurry off into the surrounding
> areas
>> because those areas will already be at their natural capacity.
>
> If the machine is killing them off in such mass numbers,
> how is it that they are back again in full force the next
> year?
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Because fool, it only takes a few to repopulate an area when their is easy
food and cover. Try reading some of the sites I provided for you, killer.



Many rodents get to know the growing patterns
> of their food, and will bury and store food during times
> of plenty for leaner times.
========================
ROTFLMAO What a hoot!!!


>
>> Secondly, any such deaths are accidental
>> > and not as abhorrent as an intentional death.
>> =============================
>> Really? Why? They are just a s dead. And, they died in far more
> brutal,
>> inhumane ways than slaughterhouse animals do. Quite a selective
> compassion
>> you have there, hypocrite.
>
> You'll never get it rickyboy. You haven't the moral
> capacity to understand why the intentional death
> is a more profound one.
=======================
And you'll never understand that there is no difference. The deaths you
cause are not 'accidental' and many are deliberate and target specific
animals, hypocrite.


And whatever you think
> of that, it's still quite stupid to suggest meat eating
> to a vegetarian.
=======================
Nope. I never claimed you 'had' to fool. I just provided reasonable,
affordable, readily available options for those that are *really* concerned
about their bloody footprints. Dogmatic vegan fanatics are too engrossed in
the simple rule for their simple minds to understand that though. Pity the
animals you kill, hypocrite.


>
>> Did you
>> > know that a high number of serial killers start out by
>> > killing animals intentionally? I'm not saying you're a
>> > serial killer, but it says something of the mindset.
>> ========================
>> LOL What a hoot! Clueless urbanite...
>
> You think it's funny? Did it hit a little too close to
> home?
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Nope. Because you "kill" animals as much as I do, fool.

>
>> > The vegan diet is not marginal. There is quite a lot
>> > of variety in the foods. Go check out my recipe
>> > directory if you don't believe it.
>> ====================
>> Sure, as long as you spice it up with imported foods from around the
> world,
>> killer. Those are far from being 'vegan' in terms of the death and
>> suffering surrounding their transport, hypocrite. Besides, it does
> not
>> naturally provide all the vitamins you need.
>
> The vegan can get all the nutrition needed to be healthy.
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No, they cannot naturally from the foods they eat. Unless of course you
like to eat crap....


Buying
> imported however, means you can suppliment your health in a
> variety of ways. The spice turmeric, for example, is very healthy
> and has antibiotic properties. Imported (depending on where
> you live) cranberry juice is a tonic for the kidneys and has lots
> of nutrients. You can be healthy as a local vegan, but why not
> be extra-healthy as an international vegan?
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LOL Because it kills even more animals than the rst of you're ignorant
diet, hypocrite. Remember the animals? They'er the ones you are supposed
to be trying to save.


>
>> >> Your childish sarcasm does nothing to address the fact that you
>> >> willfully and frequently consume something which is bad for you on
>> > many
>> >> levels despite your claims to be interested in good health. You're
> a
>> >> charlatan.
>> >
>> > No charlatan. I truly believe that it is good for me on a number of
>> > levels. I don't believe your 'facts' about its dangers. Most of
> what
>> > you claim, I've seen later disproven.
>> =======================
>> No, you haven't, or you would have posted it all over usenet, killer.
>
> Nonsense. In case you haven't noticed I rarely post links.
=======================
Because you have none that back up your so-called research, fool.

I don't
> save them in hopes of debating them. My books have no bookmarks,
> tv news goes unvideoed, and webpages unsaved for you. Look
> it up yourself. There's plenty to refute the claims of danger.
==========================
LOL I have, unlike you. And I have posted the sites, and guess what,
killer? They prove you wrong.


>
>> > That's funny, I've been to very few 'activist' websites. I do
>> > however go to and subscribe to, many science news sites.
>> =======================
>> LOL Then why are they on your site with links? Anything that
> proclaims
>> that something is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and then
> m,akes no
>> mention of the fact hat there are differing opinions is an
>> activist/propagand site looking to scam the rubes.
>
> On my recipe link site, I state clearly that all views, beliefs,
> etc are those of the people who made the various recipe
> sites. You will find activists, health nuts, food enthusiasts,
> specialty food sites, etc. I go to those websites for recipes.
> That's where my focus is. For scientific info, I go elsewhere.
===============
Then you lied above, huh? You claimed you didn't go to 'activist' sites,
yet you link them from you page. What an ignorant dolt...

>
>> > By admitting that hunting the deer would reverse their
>> > overpopulation, you admit that hunting them keeps
>> > lowering their amounts. After they are no longer
>> > overpopulated, when you keep hunting (the demand
>> > for meat doesn't go away you know) their numbers
>> > keep going down until they are extinct.
>> ==================
>> Clueless urbanite. You have no clue as to animals, do you killer?
>
> Try reading my paragraph again. Did you take any
> rudimentary mathematics when you were a kid?
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Math has nothing to do with animal numbers fool. Deer are hunted now, and
guess what? Their numbers continue to rise, fool.


>
>> > If it could supply everyone, then the grasslands would have
>> > to support dozens and dozens, maybe hundreds
>> > of times the number of cows.
>> =======================
>> Hey, clueless urbanite, *ALL* beef cattle are already grass-fed for
> almost
>> their whole lives. The pasture is already there, dolt. they only
> spend a
>> feww wekks of their lives in feedlots. You really are a clueless
> urbanite.
>
> If that were true, then you wouldn't need to specially
> buy meat marked grass fed, would you?
========================
Yes, if you don't want meat that has been fed unnatural foods and chemicals,
fool. How they start out isn't what makes the difference.

Any old
> supermarket meat will do. Is it also that way with
> pork and poultry?
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I see your stupidity is still in full force, eh killer?


>
>> >> > Face
>> >> > it, the commercial meat industry supplies most meat eaters,
>> >>
>> >> Consumers drive demand, commercial supply doesn't drive demand.
>> >
>> > That's right, and your game and grass fed can't feed that demand.
>> ============================
>> ROTFLMAO And your so-called mythical veganic gardening can? You
> really
>> are too stupid for words, killer. We aren't talking about the masses,
> we're
>> talking about what *you* as an individual *could* do to improve your
> bloody
>> footprints. But, you're too lazy and stupid to do anything real, so
> you
>> have to focus only on what you think others are doing. Nice strawman,
>> hypocrite, but one that's been knocked down many, many times...
>
> You're babbling Ricky.
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It's you that babbles, fool. You make claims that going veganic is the way
of the vegan, yet can't bring yourself to actully do it. Not only that, you
can't even provide any info that it currently supports any large number of
people at all! And then you turn around and claim that grass fed meat and
game isn't good because it can't 'feed the world.' You're a mass of
quivering apples and oranges, fool. So, like I said, you focus entirely on
what 'thers' are doing, just so you can exclude your own hypocritical diet
from the discussion, killer.


What are you talking about? You know
> full well that a vegan diet, even a supermarket one, reduces
> the 'bloody footprint' at least a hundredfold.
==========================
No, we don't fool. Provide your numbers.

And we are talking
> about the masses.
================
Only you are, because you cannot defend you diet. The discussion has been
about what an indivdual *could* do if they were really interested in saving
animals. You have obviously proven that that is not a concern of yours,
killer.


>
>> > If you feel so strongly against the import and export
>> > of foods, you must eat very bland meals. I think
>> > that the import and export increases the variety
>> > of foods availlable and is thus potentially more
>> > healthful.
>> ===========================
>> Then you admit that a vegan diet is unhealthy without massive
> importation?
>> Thanks for proving that you diet is filled with death and suffering
> and
>> hypocrisy, killer.
>
> It's quite healthy without importation, but I believe that the
> variety importation brings can make one a bit healthier
> yet.
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And kill even more and more animals, and destroy even more of the world.
Both kinda at odds with the real vegan philosophy, hypocrite.

>
>
>
>
> --
> SN
> http://www.scentednectar.com/veg/
> A huge directory listing over 700 veg recipe sites.
> Has a fun 'Jump to a Random Link' button.
>
>