Scented Nectar wrote:
>>>I have no way of knowing what farmers do what.
>>
>>That's false. NOW, you know exactly what they do:
>>they chop little animals to bits in the course of
>>producing food for you. Previously, you didn't know,
>>but now you do know. It is your knowledge of what
>>happens that implicates you.
>
>
> Let me rephrase that.

No. It's plainly weaseling.

> I have no way of knowing
> WHICH farmers do what.

Irrelevant. You know farmers do it, and you know you
buy from farmers who do it. You aren't doing the best
you can.

> Short of starving
> myself, eating vegan provides the least
> accidental deaths.

That's no good. Killing animals is ABSOLUTELY wrong in
your view, just as broom-****ing children is
ABSOLUTELY wrong. You DO view killing animals as
absolutely wrong, and you have no valid rationale for
stopping at some allegedly reduced amount.


>>>I'm not
>>>responsible for any deaths personally.
>>
>>You are responsible for the deaths of the animals
>>chopped up in the field in order to feed you in exactly
>>the same way a meat eater is responsible for the deaths
>>of animals he eats.
>
>
> My responsibility stops where I no longer have
> control.

You have control over what you buy. You don't "need"
to buy anything from anyone.


>>>You are trying
>>>to put an 'absoluteness' on the whole thing
>>
>>It is just there, based on YOUR belief in the absolute
>>wrongness of killing animals.
>
>
> It's wrong, but I accept that some of it I can't control.

You don't have to have ANY amount of business with
those who do it.

> I'm not a superhero.

Oh, we know that.

>
>
>>>when in
>>>fact you know full well that I am content with the death
>>>reductions I have made (knowing that it's currently
>>>impossible to do better).
>>
>>You have no reason to be content, and it IS possible
>>for you to do better. It is EASILY possible for you to
>>do better, but you never cared in the first place. You
>>are content solely with doing the easiest, most emptily
>>symbolic act you can find.
>
>
> Your way of doing it better

You aren't DOING anything. You falsely conclude from
something you're NOT doing - putting meat in your mouth
- that you're somehow "doing better". You aren't.
Your position simply is morally empty.

>
>>>You say I'm not allowed to
>>>feel content, something you have no say in.
>>
>>I do have say. You are not entitled to your feeling of
>>contentment. You haven't done anything morally
>>significant.
>
>
> I can feel content and you can't stop me.

I can point out that your basis for feeling content is
meaningless, and that your contentment is unearned and
unwarranted.

>>>I am doing the best I can
>>
>>You are NOT doing the best you can. Stop lying.
>
>
> Yes I am.

No, you are NOT. You could EASILY do better.

>
>
>>>>>>In my direct reply to Skanky Carpetmuncher, I pointed
>>>>>>out that by subordinating her absolute belief that it
>>>>>>is wrong to kill animals to her wish for flavor variety
>>>>>>in food, she is implicitly admitting, once again, that
>>>>>>she is NOT "doing the best she can" at reducing animal
>>>>>>death. In fact, she is revealing that she does NOT
>>>>>>believe killing animals is wrong. Her reply was very
>>>>>>revealing:
>>>
>>>
>>>You're the one putting absolute in there.
>>
>>No, it is just there.
>
>
> Who put it there?

You. It's based on YOUR belief that killing animals is
absolutely wrong, just as you believe broom-****ing
children is absolutely wrong.

>
>>>>>>There is no question that she is NOT "doing her best",
>>>>>>as she could easily forgo the spices. She has, for the
>>>>>>SECOND time, retreated from the claim "I'm doing the
>>>>>>best I can" to the vastly weaker claim of "I think I'm
>>>>>>doing better than you, which is good enough for me."
>>>
>>>
>>>You're putting words in my mouth.
>>
>>No. That is the essence of what you're saying.
>
>
> Oh, now you're calling it 'essence'? Earlier you
> called these things 'implied'.

The essence of your belief is implied by all the things
you say.

>
>
>>>Stop forcing the word absolute into the above
>>
>>I'm not. It's just there, whether you like it or not.
>
>
> You put it there.

No, YOU put it there. You put it there, and now you
don't like the implications of what you've done.