"Dutch" > wrote in message
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> >> False, numbers will *sometimes* show eating "vegan" is better, not
> >> always.
> >> "Vegans" "always" like to speak in absolutes.
> >
> > There are no real numbers.
>
> Yet vegans act as if there were.

We know for certain that animals are exploited in farming to produc eanimal
products. We do not know much about cds. We are compelled to act on the
certain data and do what we can with the rest.

> Utter nonsense, I hear this argument from vegans all the time, and it so
> typifies their skewed mindset. Food in the world isn't divided into teams,
> the vegans and the non-vegans, where you send your "A team" against ours.
> To be an objective measure all available food must be compared on a level
> playing field, "Veganic" against Organic" against "Free range" against
> "Factory Farmed", rice against beef, against tofu, it's all food.

compare veganic to any animal farming

> > Vegans are not blasting the Innuit (and such) for
> > their hunting, we are primarily interested in modern farming practices.
>
> No you aren't, that's a croc. Vegans whinge about hunting and fishing as
> loudly as they do about commercial farming.

yes, these are seen as cruel as well, bt I think you will find most
literature and time is dedicated to slanging animal farming

> > womens liberation, veganism = animal liberation
>
> Semantics, what about vegetable liberation? Things don't make sense just
> because you want them to.

animal liberation makes sense - it simply means not exploiting animals, not
using them

> > veganism is not recognised by any authority as a religion
>
> It isn't a religion, it just has religious aspects to it.

define religion, then catagories some philosophies as religious or not
religious based on the definition _ I already posted a link discussing this
issue, and veganism is no more religious than womens liberation

> > irrelivant
>
> Very "relivent". The English language incorporates any commonly used word,
> this does not validate the word or mean it refers to something real or
> credible.

Irrelivent because veganic agriculture is real, is done and doable.

John