"Dutch" > wrote in message
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> Drawing conclusions without data is dangerous. In reality you (vegans) are
> compelled to follow the rule that consuming animal products is wrong
because
> of "exploitation", a political principle irrationally extended to animals.
Why is irrational to believe that non human animals should be as free as
humans?
> > compare veganic to any animal farming
>
> You did it again. Compare ALL foods against each other on a level playing
> field, including plant foods against plant foods, and commerically
produced
> plant foods against meat products.
Since commercial meat animals are ineffeciently fed commercial plant foods,
the cds for them are higher IMO. Most my diet is organic manually harvested
fruits and veggies BTW. The "most vegan" diet would be locally grown veganic
foods.
> > yes, these are seen as cruel as well, bt I think you will find most
> > literature and time is dedicated to slanging animal farming
>
> Because they comprise 99% of the animals used, not because they are seen
as
> less moral.
ok
> > animal liberation makes sense - it simply means not exploiting animals,
> not
> > using them
>
> Plant liberation makes sense too, on a semantic level.
so - exploited animals are sentient, they can suffer like humans
> > issue, and veganism is no more religious than womens liberation
>
> Women's liberation had a religious fervor to it 100 years ago, but we have
> learned that women are nothing less than just people. Now it's a
mainstream
> idea.
womens liberation is and was never anything like a religion - the fervor in
it and some religions is just a similarity
> Animal liberation has an inherent characteristic that will never allow it
to
> reach this level, animals are not human, animals are ubiquitous, we can
> never do anything without harming them.
or as is often the case other people - but that does not mean we cannot try
to avoid the excesses
> > Irrelivent because veganic agriculture is real, is done and doable.
>
> It's not a credible alternative.
why not
John
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