"John Coleman" > wrote in message
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> "Dutch" > wrote in message
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>> >> The numbers, when calculated properly will always
>> >> show eating vegan is better.
>> >
>> > agreed
>>
>> False, numbers will *sometimes* show eating "vegan" is better, not
>> always.
>> "Vegans" "always" like to speak in absolutes.
>
> There are no real numbers.

Yet vegans act as if there were.

> However, eating up the food chain will accumulate
> animal deaths and resource use with increasingly lower food returns.

Categorically false. That theory ignores cds.

> I
> accept that food processing, and other technical aspects of certain plant
> food production may be exceptions. However, comparisons of such should be
> on
> a like for like basis.

Utter nonsense, I hear this argument from vegans all the time, and it so
typifies their skewed mindset. Food in the world isn't divided into teams,
the vegans and the non-vegans, where you send your "A team" against ours.
To be an objective measure all available food must be compared on a level
playing field, "Veganic" against Organic" against "Free range" against
"Factory Farmed", rice against beef, against tofu, it's all food.

> Vegans are not blasting the Innuit (and such) for
> their hunting, we are primarily interested in modern farming practices.

No you aren't, that's a croc. Vegans whinge about hunting and fishing as
loudly as they do about commercial farming.

>> Women's liberation is not comparable to "veganism".
>
> womens liberation, veganism = animal liberation

Semantics, what about vegetable liberation? Things don't make sense just
because you want them to.

> veganism is not recognised by any authority as a religion

It isn't a religion, it just has religious aspects to it. If vegans viewed
veganism as more a like a religion they would be better off, assuming that
they will never reform it to be a credible philosophy.


>> >> > There is no such word as "veganic".
>> >>
>> >> There should be. It's a great word. Someone here used
>> >> it a few days ago.
>> >
>> > There is such a word
> http://www.free-definition.com/Veganic-gardening.html
>>
>> If people use words they eventually become recognized, that doesn't mean
>> they have any real significance.
>
> irrelivant

Very "relivent". The English language incorporates any commonly used word,
this does not validate the word or mean it refers to something real or
credible.