"Allan Adler" > wrote in message
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>
> About 20 years ago, I started experimenting with making my own yeast
> for making bread. The bread never turned out well but I think it did
> rise. For example, I took some grape skins and left them in water or
> grape juice for a few days, and then used it instead of yeast to make
> bread. I also tried it with barley in water, on the theory that hops
> are like barely and are fermented to make beer. I don't remember whether
> I made bread out of it but I did taste it and wasn't too grossed out.
>
> I'd like to know, since I'm thinking of trying again, whether this
> is something people actually do to get leavening for bread and, if
> so what are some ways to do it right.
>
> Ignorantly,
> Allan Adler
>
I would ask over at rec.food.sourdough.