On 4/12/2021 6:21 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Thursday, October 19, 2000 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, PENMART01 wrote:
>> In article >, "Kate" >
>> writes:
>>> "uur" > wrote in message
>>> link.net...
>>>>> Any Italian who speaks proper, modern "Italian" knows how to pronounce
>>> it
>>>>> correctly. It is bruschetta with a hard k softened by an s.
>>>>> Mayhap your friends are referring to it in their own dialect, albeit not
>>>>> official Italian?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notwithstanding Kate's slightly pedantic response, the fact is that you
>>>> might well hear the soft "sh" sound in bruschetta -- even in Italy --
>>>> particularly if you are in Florence, where eleven (undici) is pronounced
>>>> "undishi" and where other vestiges of Fiorentino dialect and pronunciation
>>>> creep into the language.
>>>
>>> "slightly pedantic"... Them's fighting words ;-)! I didn't mean to be
>>> pedantic (would anyone?) actually I just get a bit tired of hearing people
>>> say that an "Italian" word is correctly pronounced one way when it is
>>> obvious that their understanding of the history of Italy and how that
>>> effects the languages of Italy - not proper Italian- is deficient. I
>>> learned "proper", modern Italian.
>> You learned "Standard Italian", there is no such thing as [a] "proper"
Italian
>> Language... unless you're a 'snoot': one who has an offensive air of
>> superiority.
>> Languages are dialectical, that is they deviate from 'Standard'. "Proper",
>> there is no "proper". There is no "proper" Italian, "proper" French, "proper"
>> Spanish, "proper" English, etal. All dialects within a language group are
>> correct, none being more correct. No one converses using the Standard Literal
>> form of a language outside the classroom, especially as to 'pronunciation', nor
>> is it possible even within, as no two people are capable of exactly the same
>> speech... as to pronunciation, the best one can do is approach the "Standard".
>> ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA
>>
>> Italian language
>> Italian ITALIANO, Romance language spoken by some 66,000,000 persons in Italy
>> (including Sicily and Sardinia), France (including Corsica), Switzerland, and
>> other countries. It is spoken by large numbers of emigrants and their
>> descendants in the Americas, especially in the United States, Argentina, and
>> Canada. Written materials in Italian date from the 10th century (a set
of court
>> records with the testimony of the witnesses in the Italian vernacular), and the
>> first literary work of length is the Ritmo Laurenziano ("Laurentian Rhythm") of
>> the late 12th century.
>> Although Italian has a standard literary form, <U>based on the _dialect_</U> of
>> Florence, the common speech is dialectal or a local variant of standard
>> Italian. The following dialect groups are distinguished: Northern Italian, or
>> Gallo-Italian; Venetan, spoken in northeastern Italy; Tuscan (including
>
> I've noticed that pico de gallo is similar to bruschetta.
>


If you consider bread and no bread similar.