Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Dave Urring wrote:
>
>
>> I haven't been to a doctor in the quarter of a century
>> since I adopted a healthful, earth-friendly, and socially
>> conscientious diet: pure vegetarian.
>
>
> When you say you haven't been to a doctor, is that because
> you've experienced no symptoms that could be helped by a doctor
> or because you just haven't gone to a doctor while ignoring
> symptoms?

I have experienced 'symptoms', occassionally. Even been really
sick a couple of times. But I use natural healing helpers and
change my ways and the storms pass.

They are rare indeed.

> If you're 54 years old now and haven't seen a doctor
> for 25 years, are you saying you needed a doctor for the first
> 29 years of your life?

I went to them because I was 'programmed' to, and didn't take
good care of myself, which was also 'programmed'.

> What for?

Flu and colds and gut problems and innoculations and check-ups
and the like. Common stuff for meat eaters.

I don't get the flu or colds or gut problems anymore.

> Were you eating meat then?
>

Yes. Typical American Diet.
>
> I'll spell out the obvious. Based on broad epidemiological
> research, a meat based diet helps prevent some health troubles
> while causing others.

The human body can obviously be healthy while eating *natural*
animal products though only races like the 'eskimo' can handle
a lot of them.

The issue for me is not personal health, though mine did improve
considerably after becoming a pure vegatiarian, but the health
of the planet and the fair distribution of resources.

> It is hard to get enough calories with
> no animal products

That's ridiculous. There are plenty of fat pure vegetarians.

> but hard to get enough essential fiber,
> vitamins and minerals with no plant based foods. That's just
> for starts. There's tons more along those lines.
>

You can find scientific studies to support either side of this
issue. All done by good scientists.

But millions of pure vegetarians that are living much more
lightly on the earth, and who are *much* healthier than their
animal-product consuming siblings, are _real_ evidence for
the truth of these matters.

Facts speak louder than lab exeriments.

>
>> The human body does not naturally digest animal products and
>> has trouble with excessive proteins.
>
>
> I've heard that over and over, but it has never made any sense
> to me. I had duck for dinner last night (in a pepper and
> orange broth and a side of stir fried onion, red pepper and
> home-grown cabbage in a sauce made of mustard, tamari, cider
> vinegar, fresh ginger and thickened with corn starch). After
> eating the duck, I felt full. I'm sure I digested it meaning
> that my body was able to break down and use the fats and
> proteins contained in the duck. If I didn't do that naturally,
> how the hell did I do it?
>

You are playing games with words.

Your body and mind have been conditioned/addicted to animal
products since infancy. Your body has learned to deal with
them, as it is has learned to deal with the toxins you consume
by eating industrial food in general, and breathing car exhausts
and household cleaners.

By "natural", I mean that your body finds plant foods much easier
to deal with. (Which you know perfectly well.)

I've deleted the rest of this, because, as in your paragraph
above, you are being clever with words and trying to avoid the
truth here like a lawyer in a court of law.

Where innocent people are sometimes executed or imprisoned for
life...

Here are some links. Do some homework. Or stay ignorant and
remain less healthy than you could be; and remain a poor
planetary citizen.

I am not responsible for *your* behavior, only my own.

www.earthsave.org

www.madcowboy.com