On 2018-07-14 11:56 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 11:16:53 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2018-07-14 10:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 14, 2018 at 10:10:28 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2018-07-14 12:12 AM, graham wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-07-13 8:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> Let me put it another way. One can respect a person's right to hold
>>>>> religious beliefs. You don't have to respect (or admire) those beliefs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Failure to abide by some of their beliefs can get people into trouble
>>>> sometimes. Sometimes those beliefs run counter to my beliefs. I find it
>>>> had to accept that I should be expected to respect the belief some hold
>>>> that their women must be covered head to toe and that should be beaten
>>>> for failure to do so, and that they can be killed to protect the
>>>> family's honour. Sorry, but I cant respect their right to hold religious
>>>> beliefs like that any more than I should be able to hold beliefs like
>>>> that privately.
>>>
>>> Actually, those are cultural mores more than religious beliefs. The Koran
>>> mandates modesty of dress and behavior for both men and women:
>>
>>
>> True, but they use the religion to justify it.
>
> Religion has been used to justify a wide variety of bad behavior, right
> back to Moloch. It's the very fact that Christianity has, in the main,
> calmed down that we notice extremism in the practice of Islam. Perhaps
> Islam will get a chance to have a Reformation.
>

The Reformation wasn't exactly the calming down of Christianity, which
was basically Catholicism at the time. Many of the Protestants were as
bad as or worse than the Catholic Church.