On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:09:07 -0700, Goo wrote:

>On Thu, 12 May 2016 20:31:31 -0400, mur@. wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 09:17:01 -0700, Goo wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:03:14 -0400, mur@. wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:41:22 +0100, Derek > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I do have to agree with them in that eating
>>>>>meat can have the effect of bringing happy lives into the world if livestock
>>>>>farmers do their job according to strict welfare rules.
>>>>. . .
>>>>>Unlike me they intuitively believe
>>>>>that the best policy is one that can bring about the most happiness in the
>>>>>world even if, in practice, it brings about a lot of misery, because that
>>>>>misery isn't part of the original policy and therefore can be disregarded.
>>>>
>>>> Since you're actiing like you people consider quality of life I'm curious if
>>>>any of you try to present the absurd position that you:
>>>>
>>>>"don't believe the distinction between "lives of positive value" and "lives of
>>>>negative value" means anything."
>>>>
>>>>It's an easy concept to understand and so far I've never discussed it with
>>>>anyone in person who had the slightest problem comprehending or recognising the
>>>>significance of that aspect of the situation.
>>>
>>>LOL! "Aspect of the situation" - you just sound
>>
>> Only to someone who can't comprehend or recognise the significance of the
>>aspects of any situations, Goo.
>
>There is no "significance" to any "aspects" of any "situation"

For you people not to anything that supports lives of positive value for any
domestic animals Goob. And maybe as you say there is no significance to any
aspects of any situations at all to you people, Goo.

>>>>But Doctor Ru tries to pretend he
>>>>doesn't "believe the distinction" "means anything", so I'm wondering
>>>>specifically if you try to pull that trick on your kids or grand kids, and how
>>>>they respond to it if/when you do try. Again, please TRY to be honest.
>
>It is not morally "significant" in any way that livestock animals "get
>to experience life." Only the products matter.

Of course you people feel the same way about all wildlife, Goo.