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> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 2:28:12 PM UTC-8, Embudo wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 9, 2015 at 6:21:55 AM UTC-10, Embudo wrote:
>>>> So the solution is - if you build it they'll stop coming?!??
>>>>
>>>> Seriously?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's certainly a hard knock life - round here. Sometime this year, the average cost of a single family home will probably hit $700,000 - amazing!
>>
>> Know where it's even pricier?
>>
>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle17279408/
>>
>> The million-dollar club isn't so exclusive in Greater Vancouver, where
>> the average price for single-family detached houses sold has soared to a
>> record high of more than $1.36-million.
>>
>> http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/03/v...ng-costs-2030/
>>
>> According to a new study by Vancity, if housing prices continue to rise
>> without intervention, the average detached home will cost $2.1 million
>> by 2030. Because incomes will not be rising along with the price of
>> living, it will take more than 100 per cent of median household income
>> to put a roof over your head.
>>
>>
>> All that for rainy, cloudy, cold weather most of the year?
>>
>> Yikes.ada
>
> Everything is relative. Eastern Canada's "Sun Parlour" is across
> Lake Erie from Sandusky, Ohio (not related to the Penn State pervert).
> Vancouver is the most temperate part of Canada. A great place to retire,
> if you are used to winters in Edmonton or Winnipeg.

Relative to the above, yes, that's an internal valuation.

But why not choose Hawaii?

It's a comparative value play.

>>
>>
>>> I don't have any problem with building shelters. Hopefully the homeless will want to live in these constructions. Near as I can figure, those guys like living next to the beaches. I guess it makes them feel like they're on a camping trip.
>>
>> The problem is they WILL come if you build it.
>>
>> But the article had one sound recommendation:
>>
>> "Another strategy, approved by lawmakers sees the state offering the
>> radical solution of offering the homeless a one way ticket back to the
>> mainland. It is a voluntary program. One which, they believe will be a
>> way to cut down on the money paid out to the homeless and help families
>> reunite with loved ones on the mainland.
>>
>> The strategy has been used by lawmakers in New York and San Francisco..."
>
> This is BS, at least regarding San Francisco.

They may have tried it briefly, hard to say.


> There, homeless are a
> protected species, even though they grow more numerous all the time.

True enough.

> As with other cities, supportive housing is being built for the fragile
> homeless, while the more rambunctious are allowed to camp on unused
> property.

Which is a mess.

>>
>>> My guess is that a lot of them should be in psych hospitals.
>>
>> Pretty true most anywhere.
>>
>>> The hospital nearby used to have thousands of patients. These days, it's a couple of hundred. My understanding is that most of the patients were "cured" during the Reagan administration.
>>
>
> Asylums for the retarded and the insane were closed down during Reagan's
> time as Governor of California. They were largely hellholes -- think
> Cuckoo's Nest.

So it was a humane act?

> But community care for the mentally ill has not worked. Even if they
> have a job and a place to live, people who take pills to stay sane
> dislike the pills and stop taking them. Then they start acting out
> on the job and lose both job and housing.

Sound analysis.

> OTOH, a network of centers for the "developmentally disabled"
> was set up in counties throughout California, to provide services
> to help parents take care of their children at home. The skyrocketing
> number of autism diagnoses has kept them extra busy. These centers
> seem to be a success.

Good for them.

> The remaining residential centers for the retarded have a hard
> time keeping child abusers off the staff.

That is depressing.

>
>> Did give them amnesty too?
>>
>> I think most went straight into Congress over here.
>>
>>
>> The obvious problem is you've got people moving there from arounf
>> Micronesia just for the benefits they can't get at home.
>>
>> Hmmm...
>>
>> Not unlike the mainland in that respect, now is it?
>>
>> But I think the shipping container housing is a sound idea for your climate.
>>
>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ss-crisis.html
>>>>
>>>> The governor of Hawaii has declared a 'state of emergency' over the
>>>> growing homeless problem in the state in a bid to tackle the crisis.
>>>>
>>>> Governor David Ige signed an emergency proclamation on Friday to tackle
>>>> homelessness in Hawaii to help turn around the lives of those living on
>>>> the streets. He also pledged $1.3 million.
>>>>
>>>> He said: 'I will be issuing an emergency proclamation. Homelessness
>>>> remains a serious issue in every county throughout the state...The
>>>> biggest deficit in the system is shelter space for families.'
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Officials in Hawaii said it has pledged over $1.3 million to fund
>>>> homeless services - including setting up permanent homes for families.
>>>>
>>>> Ige added: 'We are making sure that we have options for those who are
>>>> homeless to move into an emergency shelter, and the biggest deficit in
>>>> the system is shelter space for families.
>>>>
>>>> 'So the emergency proclamation would allow us to stand up shelters for
>>>> families in an expeditious manner.'
>>>>
>>>> The state has also recently cleared the Kakaako homeless encampment
>>>> leading to more than half of the estimated 300 residents of the
>>>> encampment, including 25 families, moving into shelters and permanent
>>>> housing.
>>>>
>>>> 'They definitely are off the streets and in a better situation where we
>>>> are in a position to provide them services that will help us move them
>>>> permanently out of the state of homelessness,' Ige said.
>