On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 11:09:38 AM UTC-5, La Mirada wrote:
> On 6/17/2015 5:44 AM, Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 6:16:06 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 04:12:07 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 8:43:15 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 18:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 6:53:33 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:49:11 -0700 (PDT), Bryan-TGWWW
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 3:47:39 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:34:53 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bryan-TGWWW wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Wine used as an intoxicating beverage, rather than purely for flavor,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> can be cut some slack (...)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Only a wino would think like that.
> >>>>>>>>>> Hear that, Gary? He's calling you a wino.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nah. No self respecting wino would mix his wine with diet coke.
> >>>>>>>>> Only *I* sunk to that level.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But did you only add the wine because you wanted the intoxicating
> >>>>>>>> effect? (If so, have you heard of whiskey?)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Whiskey is repulsive tasting to lots of folks. The only liquor that I
> >>>>>>> find inoffensive (except neutral vodka of course) is tequila, and then
> >>>>>>> only in light concentrations.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It took me many years, but I like whiskey these days.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I used to drink whiskey in my early/mid teens because it was easier for us
> >>>>> to procure than other alcohol. It is the only thing that I ever bought that
> >>>>> I *knew* was stolen. We chugged the stuff straight back in 8th and 9th grades.
> >>>>> Not surprising that I now have an aversion to even the smell of the stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> I had to overcome something similar. That took about 30 years.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I would have happily paid significantly more for alcohol that was not tainted
> >>>>> by theft if I'd had the option, but unjust laws took away that option.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unjust laws made you do something unjust and unlawful and therefore it
> >>>> was ok. I need a lot of whiskey to think like that.
> >>>>
> >>> "Unlawful" meant zero to me as far as ethics went. Nixon had just resigned
> >>> in disgrace, the biggest pig, but only the biggest. The pig existed to prop
> >>> up a culture that I had contempt for. The pig busted you for weed. After
> >>> McCarthyism, Viet Nam and Kent State, I saw anyone who respected, rather than
> >>> merely feared the law, as at best a fool.
> >>
> >> Sounds like beat the assholes by becoming one.
> >>
> > One who takes a knife to a gunfight is likely to lose. I'm not stupid. I do
> > *fear* the law, but I don't respect it.
>
> Oh?
>
> So you don't respect the laws that protect against domestic violence?
>
> Nice.
>
Thinking of, and treating women as second class human beings is part of
*YOUR* culture, not mine. Conservative Americans had to be brought along
kicking and screaming to acceptance of empowering non-Whites, women and
non-heterosexuals.
>
> > There is one way, however, that I am like the pig. The pig places loyalty
> > to capitalism above loyalty to nation every time, and I place socialism
> > above loyalty to nation every time.
>
> Then you are un-American, every time.
>
Agreed. I stand with these folks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist
>
> > I argue that it is more patriotic to wipe one's ass on a flag made in one's
> > own country than to proudly wave a flag that is imported.
>
> I submit that to fantasize such crass behavior makes you out to be a
> wreck of a human turd.

Yeah, the idea of waving an American flag made in China is pretty damned
offensive.

--Bryan