On 4/27/2015 1:56 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:38:37 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/2015 1:26 PM, sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:44:03 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The point is, NO job should be sown up by a union.
>>>>
>>>> As a worker I should be able to get a job at a grocer and opt-out of the
>>>> union if I so choose.
>>>>
>>>> It's all about CHOICE!
>>>
>>> In the current state of affairs, if you had no union shops keeping
>>> wages high - non-union wages and working conditions would be pitiful.
>>
>> Untrue.
>>
>>> You only need to look as far as any third world or emerging nation to
>>> understand.
>>
>> But this is not the 3rd world.
>
> It's not, with thanks to unions.
>
>>
>> And guess what, non union workers and economies do quite well, for example:
>>
> Is this really supposed to be an example of how well non-union workers
> are doing? The good wages I see are due to unions or a direct threat
> of unionization. If unions didn't exist, wages and working conditions
> would never improve.
>>
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-true...o-labor-costs/
>>
>> In Kentucky, for example, Toyota workers in Georgetown earn about $30
>> per hour, while the median wage in the state for manufacturing jobs,
>> according to the Department of Labor, is $12.64.
>>
>> http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederic...twice-as-much/
>>
>> As Michael Maibach, president and chief executive of the European
>> American Business Council, puts it, union-management relations in the
>> U.S. are “adversarial,” whereas in Germany they’re “collaborative.”
>
> And there is still an obvious need for unions in Germany.
And there is an obvious difference in their relationship with the
manufacturers IN Germany.
Which was my point.
As for need, that's up to the Germans to parse.
>> Does such a happy relationship survive when German automakers set up
>> shop in the U.S.? No. As a historian observes in the article, “BMW is a
>> German company and it has a very German hierarchy and management system
>> in Germany,” yet “when they are operating in Spartanburg [in South
>> Carolina] they have become very, very easily adaptable to Spartanburg
>> business culture.” At Volkswagen’s Chattanooga plant, the nonunionized
>> new employees get $14.50 an hour, which rises to $19.50 after three years.
>
> Whoop tee doo!
Not bad pay to babysit robots.
In fact:
http://www.indeed.com/salary/Factory-Worker.html
"Average Salary of Jobs with Related Titles
General Factory Worker
$30,000"
And the halo effect of having a VW plant leads to:
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/b...500-at/141241/
"Calling Volkswagen "a big customer," a French automotive supplier that
plans to supply bumpers and fender parts for the Passat sedan also will
eye work for a sport utility vehicle that VW wants to assemble for the U.S.
The average wage of the jobs will be $44,500 a year, said Patrick Raley,
who directs human resources for Plastic Omnium in the U.S."
Btw - the UAW, despite losing shop votes, is now unionizing in
Tennessee, word is that may cool VW's plans to open a new SUV plant there.