On 4/27/2015 11:45 AM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:13:33 -0600, "W. Lohman" > wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/2015 7:26 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2015-04-26 10:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Tell me that isn't slavery, being forced to join an organization just to
>>>>> take a job.
>>>>
>>>> I worked in places that had unions but I'd never join one. The members
>>>> got nothing worth while for their dues. They were good in 1930, but now
>>>> they are just blood sucking parasites. I would have earned less as a
>>>> member.
>>>
>>>
>>> I worked in places without unions and I worked in places with unions.
>>> Working conditions in union shops were much better, and so was the
>>> money. I suppose we should all be happy that so much of our
>>> manufacturing is now being done off shore where workers toil for peanuts
>>> in order for CEOs to justify their multimillion dollar salaries.
>>
>> Union shops did such a wonderful job with the American auto industry
>> that it almost went tits up.
>>
>
> Ah - yes, of course, I see the light now. Unions were single handedly
> responsible for the miserable failure of *American* automobile design

Design wasn't really a problem,

Job banks and mediocre build quality however were.

> (when the same set of American designers were perfectly capable of
> designing cars for foreign manufacturers that were well engineered and
> looked great), to say nothing of poor quality control.

Ah yes, "poor quality control" = poor union labor practices, thank you.

> Then there was
> their refusal to modernize, insisting on continuing the outdated
> practice of one man installing one item on a cars 8 hours a day, which
> was the equivalent of you sitting at the computer and hitting one
> single solitary key all day long. You're so right.

I am indeed, now it's all about the robots.

I guess we do have slavery in America after all!

> It's all the unions fault.

The UAW and Fanuc?

Mmm hmm...

http://www.uaw-chrysler.com/training...ions111512.pdf

Course Description
This course is intended for all skilled trades personnel that are
responsible for
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Learning Outcome
Completion of this course will provide the trainee with the knowledge
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Major Topics Covered
• Safely start, stop, and shut down the FANUC-30iA robot in local and remote
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> Those poor executives in the corporate offices were
> just victims of a vicious union scheme to destroy the American
> automobile industry

Nah, they just made it per unit unprofitable compared to Korean cars and
other imports.

Deal.

> so union workers could give up decent paying jobs
> and live off public assistance. Yeah, that's it.

Is that a union-made straw man?

> Defend your Right-to-Work because no one else will!

Defend union slavery, and automaker bailouts.