"Todd" > wrote in message
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> On 10/02/2014 06:31 AM, W. Baker wrote:
>> Todd > wrote:
>> : > : >
>> : > : >
>> : > : > I find this strange as I have been on Metformin now for some
>> 17-18 years
>> : > : > with none of the effects you, tidd, have experienced. I will
>> grant that
>> : > : > some peol ehave bad results with different drugs, but one's own
>> personal
>> : > : > bad experience may well NOT be universal. If a drug causes
>> problems for
>> : > : > you you you should no be taking it, but that does nt mean that
>> other folk
>> : > : > should stop taking it if it works adn does not cause them your
>> smptoms.
>> : > : >
>> : > : > Wendy
>> : >
>> : > : Hi Wendy,
>> : > : The depression (crabbiness) and delusional paranoia creep up on
>> you.
>> : >
>> : > : You may not be aware of it. I certainly was not aware of it
>> until
>> : > : I got off it. I truly though everyone was picking on me. When
>> : > : I got off it, oh boy, did I have a lot of apologizing to do.
>> : > : You have shown signs of the crabbiness to me in the past. The
>> : > : way you can figure it out is to ask someone close to you that you
>> : > : can trust to give you the unvarnished truth if you have become
>> : > : a crabass.
>> : >
>> : > : People that can not longer sleep had it sneak up on them too.
>> : > : They have said in blogs they never recovered and were not
>> : > : able to sleep again.
>> : >
>> : > : And don't forget the rebound effect. Met is an allopathic
>> drug,
>> : > : meaning it is a controlled dosage of a poison meant to cause
>> : > : a desired reaction. This can save your life. But over the long
>> run,
>> : > : your body will rebound to it. My blood sugar dropped each time
>> : > : I backed off on the stuff.
>> : >
>> : > : You have been on Met for a long time and know how to cook
>> : > : low(er) carb. You may be healed by now and not need it. If
>> : > : you get off it to see, be careful when the "dark curtain" lifts.
>> : > : You might suddenly start enjoying things and people around you.
>> : >
>> : > : :-)
>> : >
>> : > : -T
>> : >
>> : > I am not regarded as a crabby person and at 78 am active and happy,
>> having
>> : > adjusted to the loss of my husban now 4 years ago. Healed I am not
>> and I
>> : > was off the Met for a few weeks this summer when Ihad a stomach upset
>> that
>> : > was not severe, but was prolonged. I was taken off pretty much al my
>> Met
>> : > adn was also eating remarkably little, so little that I lost 15 lbs
>> in a
>> : > few week(3-4) I am now back onthe Met and am tryign to maintain the
>> : > weight loss which was the first time since my big weigt oss of 30
>> years
>> : > ago, thata I have moved below the weight I attained then. So fa I am
>> : > fairly successful, bu , of couse, it requires daily weighing of me to
>> not
>> : > let a small gain turn into a large one. Unfortuantley m appetite is
>> back.
>>
>> : Sounds like you have it in hand.
>>
>> : How was your blood sugar when you were off Met for a week?
>>
>> No change as I was eating remarkably little food. How else do you think
>> I
>> los 15 pounds in a few weeks after maaintaining the sme weight for over
>> 30? half a banan a piece of toast, a third of an apple and home made
>> chichen sop with some rice. that's bout what I would eat and couldn't
>> manage more and was haaving the loose bowels. When i went back on the
>> Metformin my stomach was fine and as my apetite increased, I had to watch
>> the carbs, as I usually do. I was also rather happier and not crabby at
>> all as I no longer ws suffering from stomach distress.
>
> Way more carbs than I could consume. Bananas and rice are strictly off
> my diet. But, that you can take them, is a good sign you are healing
> or have healed.
>
> By the way, to gain weight requires two things: Carbs and insulin.
> If you eat excess fat, you just blow or urinate it off.
>
>>
>> : > You, as poster, take quate a strong view adn express it strongly,
>> making i
>> : > sound like you are the only one who has the right way. We all find
>> : > different ways to control our diabtese and enjoy sharing ideas jus
>> like
>> : > recipes, but not being told that "I am the way adn you are stupid if
>> you
>> : > don't follow me and are damned to diabetic failure if you don't
>> accept my
>> : > views." You may not be aware of it, but this is how you come off.
>> You
>> : > have found wht works for YOU adn many of us gave you all kinds of
>> recipes
>> : > and cookign methods to get you to where you wanted to be. I am glad
>> we
>> : > were able to help, but remeber, to disgree wit you in a polite way is
>> not
>> : > crabbiness. I eat quite low car,or what I call moderate carb of
>> 60-100
>> : > grams a day adn it works for me as it has for more than 30 years, the
>> last
>> : > 17 or so on Metformin. That is what we mean by YMMV or "your
>> mileeage may
>> : > vary."
>>
>> : Wendy,
>>
>> : To be quite blunt, no I do not. This is in your own mind.
>> : Making things up and putting words into my mouth is not
>> : politely disagreeing with me.
>>
>> Your strong defense of the "Paleo" diet that you were promoting several
>> months ago and putting down anyone who did not think this ws the way to
>> go
>> was, certainlly evident in your posts adn you finally seemed t goo off in
>> a huff.
>
> I never put a single person down. That is in your own head.
> It is the chemical haze I spoke of.
>
No? You sure put me down! And your wife by calling her arm candy and
trophy wife, both of which in today's world have very unsavory connotations.
But then you claimed that you were complimenting her.

> And who went off in a "huff"? I still post here and as far
> as I can tell, I post more than anyone else. I even off
> topic posted a cute video about a cat because I know there are
> cat lovers on this group and I HATE CATS! This group
> has been really dead. Everyone fighting with each other
> (Met Heads). It is not a nice place. And I think Metformin
> has a lot to do with it.

You haven't posted much here in a while. Nobody has.
>
>>
>> : This is why I think you are being effected by Metformin.
>> : You must rely on others who will be honest with you as to
>> : your behavior and if your personality has changed. You
>> : can not judge it for yourself. Under Met, your internal
>> : jerk meter is too screwed up for you to be able to tell.
>> : Your are under a Chemical Haze.
>>
>>
>> Balonsy! i move in many circles where I am notconsidered crabby, but a
>> rather nice adn easy to work with as I run my food nd clothing drives and
>> serve on boards of groups to which I belong, not g ettign into arguments
>> with hose I may disgree with.
>
> Not so I have noticed. You are pretty crabby to me. You put
> words in my mouth and you attack me for it.
>
Wendy was never crabby to you. Never. You are here calling us all names!
>>
>> : Now I never knew you before
>> Metformin, so you may
>> be this : way naturally. But I have to say, the jumping to conclusions,
>> : flying off the handle, reading negative motives into things
>> : that are innocuous is exactly what a Met Head acts like.
>>
>> Calling people who tak Metformin A---holes is not a negative statement or
>> motive.
>
> Okay. Trying to warn others of the effect of Metformin -- one
> being that you act like an arse hole -- is trying to help
> others. This is chemical haze again. I am not calling
> you or anyone else names. I am talking about the "effect"
> it has on its user. And I included myself it that.

But you're telling lies! These things *may* have happened to you. From the
way you are going on, there is no doubt in my mind that they did. But it
wasn't from the Metformin. To call people Met Heads and then say that you
are not calling names? What planet are you on?
>
>> It looks ike flying off the handle to me nd to jumping to
>> conclusions out people. maybe the medication did that to you because of
>> our underlying personality, but it has not done so to me.
>
> You were always this way ???? Oh No!

More put downs.