On 9/7/2014 4:35 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 9/6/2014 5:53 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 9/6/2014 11:48 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 9/6/2014 2:06 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where I am the schools provide free breakfasts to all students at
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> time. Don't know how long it will last since it was going on last
>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>> too, or if it's available for all of CA, but it is here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will last as long as YOU pay taxes for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> I don't mind for the poor kids, but it is not easy to separate them
>>>> from a parent that is just too lazy and now has reason not to make
>>>> breakfast.
>>>
>>> And so the kid should suffer? If the parent is too lazy for that, then
>>> the kid is probably lacking in other ways. I'd rather not see the kid
>>> suffer.
>>
>> No reasonable person would, but it is reasonable to have metrics to
>> weed out the lazy parents.
>
> I would have to disagree with you there.

You may, but you'll be wrong.

> Because who would determine
> what constitutes as lazy?

Those who means test and monitor abuses, duh.

> As I have said... Some might say that I am
> lazy. I don't work. And I have been in a situation where some kid lost
> control of a ball. It rolled right past me and I did not try to get
> it. Why? I am disabled and I know that there is no way I could move
> fast enough to get it. Heck, most of the time my muscles are so stiff
> that I can't even bend over. I think have to explain to any others who
> might be standing around, why I didn't run after the ball. Because of
> course they are looking at me like I was lazy.

You've way over-internalized this, as per usual.

> Maybe the parent is ill, either physically or mentally. I do have days
> when I am more mobile than others. I am better now than I used to be.
> But when my daughter was a baby, I couldn't walk. The best I could do
> was scoot or crawl across the floor and if I was lucky, hoist myself up
> onto a bar stool to cut up some food that someone else had bought for
> me. Thankfully she was eating toddler type food like cheese cubes, raw
> veggies and fruit and canned green beans. Because cooking was often
> beyond what I could do. Husband might have to make do with a sandwich
> while I had a salad.

Maybe hubby should step up then.

> Sometimes people need to be on a medication that makes them
> non-functional. Like a muscle relaxant. Or maybe they have a mental
> illness that lets them function pretty normally most of the time but
> might leave them hiding in bed some days.
>
> People with these types of problems could easily be seen as lazy by
> others. My friend has an adult daughter with mental illness. If you
> were to see her when she was having a really good hour...I say hour
> because that's about the limit to her being able to maintain some sense
> of normalcy, you might think she was pleasant and fine. But the reality
> was she was in no way shape or form able to hold down a job or even care
> for her son. Her brain just doesn't think in a normal fashion any
> more. So my friend had to take custody of her grandson.
>
> Some of these situations are/were or could be temporary. Maybe the kid
> didn't get breakfast two or three days in a row because the parent just
> wasn't up to fixing it. And maybe someone would say that parent was
> lazy. But the kid shouldn't suffer.
>
> I have only ever once met a person who admitted to be lazy. I won't say
> who it was. But some years ago, my bro got me a little battery operated
> Astrology/Horoscope device. It not only did charts for people but told
> what the charts meant and gave their daily horoscope. So I did the
> chart for this person and it said that he was inherently lazy. Worse
> still in looking at his daily readings, most of them said that he would
> be feeling lazy. As I read this to him, I said I was sorry, these were
> not my words but this was what the device was telling me. He laughed
> and said that he agreed with the device. He was in fact lazy.
>
> And where is he today? Prison. And not for the first time. He is a
> hard core drug addict. He did work at a variety of jobs but was caught
> stealing more times than I can remember. And I'm sure I don't know the
> half of it. He has two kids and lost custody of one. Not sure about the
> other one. I presume he lives with the mother but from pics I have seen
> of her, she looks like a drug addict as well.
>
> Anyway... I don't think most people are lazy and probably few people
> really are. But there are some who love to play the system and some who
> will probably appear lazy.

That was too long a rant to even respond to each point.

Congratulations, you have single-handedly come with a panoply of excuses
leading to a "do nothing" response.

That's absurdism deluxe.

Any and all abuses, be they medical, laziness, or simple leaching can
and ought be addressed, treated for context, and used to make a
functional program in which the regular users are the ones who have real
need.

If that need is due to illness, so be it.

If it's income, fine.

If it's laziness or abuse of resources, bill the parents back.

It can ALL be handled, period.

End of discussion, afiac.