On 9/9/2013 4:46 PM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 16:01:16 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>
>> On 9/9/2013 2:50 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>
>>> On 9/6/2013 2:44 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>> On 9/6/2013 2:18 PM, ****wit David Harrison - *Gloo* - stupid,
>>>> illiterate cracker and convicted felon, defeated entirely in 1999 and
>>>> doing nothing but wasting time ever since, lied:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/5/2013 7:13 AM, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/5/2013 3:00 AM, Dhu on Gate wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Sep 2013 00:59:26 -0700, George Plimpton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no importance at all to the "getting". If some livestock
>>>>>>>> animals "get to experience life", that isn't good for them; and if no
>>>>>>>> livestock animals "get to experience life", that isn't bad for any
>>>>>>>> animals. If livestock animals exist, then experiencing a good life is
>>>>>>>> better for them than experiencing a bad life. It is not "better" for
>>>>>>>> the animals to experience a good life than never to live at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The question is whether it is good for us humans to have domestic
>>>>>>> animals, and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that isn't the question.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is ALL you
>>>>
>>>> No, *Gloo*. The question is if there is anything to "consider" about
>>>> livestock animals "getting to experience life" versus never existing,
>>>> and we have seen that the answer to the question is "no."
>>>>
>>>> You're just wasting time, *Gloo*. You lost. Go do something else.
>>>
>>> You don't have any idea how you could even pretend to have found that out
>>
>> Coming into existence - "getting to experience life" - cannot be a
>> benefit because it doesn't improve the entity's welfare.
>>
>> You're just wasting time, *Gloo*. You lost. Go do something else.
>
> That is only 'cause you don't consider
> your existence to be a benefit to
> anyone, including yourself.

No entity's existence is a benefit to itself. It can't be - it didn't
improve the entity's welfare, and that's the definition of a benefit.

Now **** off, and stay ****ed off.